SilentKill Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 OK so quick brief, I had an open ticket before which had stipulations for Fox and vermin related to certain rifles. Now I have had a new grant (long story with a cock up from a certain Force) Seems to have new wording. Over any land I have permission to lawfully shoot. - I'm ok with this as it does not stipulate each bit of land. Secondly it s relating to the quarry. Certificate says "Vermin and any other lawful quarry" does this mean that there are no stipulations on deer? what are the requirements? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Vermin and AOLQ should be interpreted as you can shoot anything that is legal to shoot with the appropriate calibre. So you couldn't shoot deer with a .22rf for example even though it doesn't stipulate what you can shoot. In reality you might get away knocking over the odd one or two with AOLQ but if you got caught shooting a large number of deer your feo might start asking why you haven't got deer conditioned on your ticket. It all depends on their interpretation of AOLQ. I'd ask for deer to be stipulated on your license not because you should have to but because it will save you a headache in the future should you get a jobsworth feo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Thanks for the response, im aware of the calibres required for the different species. Just wondered if it had to be identified on the Certificate that Deer was a lawful quarry? is there anything that says Deer is not AOLQ? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I wouldn't have thought so. But you're relying on the subjective opinion of an feo even though it should be objective. Take .17hmr as a prime example. HO guidelines state it's suitable for fox however depending on your feo/police force some will grant it for fox and some won't. Similar story with .222 and .223. How come a .222 can knock over Scottish Roe but not English? My opinion would be yes AOLQ covers deer BUT you're likely to cause yourself a whole lot of hassle if you haven't got deer conditioned on your license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) I had the same conditions on my fac under Durham until my last variation, it now states deer and aolq for my 243 instead of just aolq. Edited January 16, 2017 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) If deer is lawful quarry for a specific calibre, it's lawful regardless of the FEO's interpretation IMO. The AOLQ thing was supposed to do way with having loads of different quarry on your ticket. Edited January 16, 2017 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 If deer is lawful quarry for a specific calibre, it's lawful regardless of the FEO's interpretation IMO. The AOLQ thing was supposed to do way with having loads of different quarry on your ticket. Having spoken with others in my club who "had" deer on their ticket, this is the way they have been pushed now. I wonder if any one has contacted BASC to see their standing on the wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleSimon Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 If deer is lawful quarry for a specific calibre, it's lawful regardless of the FEO's interpretation IMO. The AOLQ thing was supposed to do way with having loads of different quarry on your ticket. This. The AOLQ condition is mandatory now, forces are no longer supposed to restrict quarry or list multiple quarry types on a certificate. It strikes me as a bit of a backwards move to start requesting extra quarry types be added, as nobody can argue with the wording "ANY other LAWFUL quarry" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 "ANY other LAWFUL quarry" This ^^^^ deer goose rabbit pheasant crow..... anything, as long as you do it lawfully, i.e. Have permission from the landowner/ person who holds the sporting rights, and in the case of deer or boar you use the minimum required caliber/ammo and respect any seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Having spoken with others in my club who "had" deer on their ticket, this is the way they have been pushed now. I wonder if any one has contacted BASC to see their standing on the wording. Why bother, as said it's intended to make certs less complicated, if it's legal for your calibre, it comes under AOLQ. It seems like a sensible move to me and gets away from having a .243 for example that was conditioned for deer, but you couldn't shoot a fox when out stalking Edited January 16, 2017 by kennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Some of my calibres just list vermin and other lawful quarry and the larger calibres do specify deer and other lawful quarry. The 22RF and 17HMR Vermin and ground game. I don't see the point in listing each and everything. Lawful is lawful at the end of the day, both on permission to shoot and species. It really does make the point that the licenses should be handled by one authority as per driving licenses for those far more dangerous 'weapons'. Edited January 16, 2017 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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