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I think the Police Woman involved will be on leave for a while before having a one way conversation with her Chief Constable.

 

It cannot be correct to taser someone who is not constituting a threat.

 

Mr Adunbi will probably receive a full and unconditional apology and may get some compensation.

 

I hope he refrains from speaking to the media until this has all been sorted out.

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Mr Adunbi will probably receive a full and unconditional apology and may get some compensation.

 

I hope he refrains from speaking to the media until this has all been sorted out.

 

I think he already has on at least one occasion previously, and probably not

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Because he doesn`t have to until he has been charged with an offence.

 

But even Liberty say..... There are, however, circumstances where it might be a good idea to give your name and address to a police officer

 

I would think most normal people when confronted with are you the wanted naughty boy by the name of XXXXX? would think it would be a good idea to follow the above guidance

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any reasonable/normal/sensible person would have just given their name to the two police officers . im not always a fan of the police , but in this instance i feel sorry for the two officers that will now be dragged through a world of cack for years to come , because some , antagonistic , anti authority , racist , old fool has an axe to grind.

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I wonder how many times the police have done that but are now caught out being filmed ?>

I wonder how many times idiots have done that but are now caught out being filmed?

 

A neighbour's filming of the event was shown on local news - as far as I'm concerned the footage didn't show the complainant in a good light.

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Being evasive, obstructive, uncooperative and difficult, usually indicates having something to hide, which is the Police's job to investigate......or it could be an individual reacts aggressively against figures of authority, because they have the proverbial "chip on their shoulder"

The officers were apparently doing their job and just trying to establish whether this man was who they were looking for or not! if the suspect is uncooperative what are the officers supposed to do? say OK and walk away? or arrest him in order to question him properly? if he then resists arrest? what then?

 

A hopefully honest investigation will ensue and again hopefully if the police were at fault they will be punished accordingly! but the suspect should probably be prosecuted for resisting arrest!

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I thought failure to provide particulars was an arrestable offence.

 

Like 'em or not the police have got a job to do and being asked to provide your name doesn't appear to be an abuse of their powers or an infringement of civil liberties.

 

Couple that with then walking away through a locked door; well it wasn't going to end well for chummy.

 

Mr Chippy shoulder boy looking for an excuse to spark it up with the man.

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I do not know what footage was aired on National TV at the time but there is a video clip on ITV and it was shown extensively on local news. The video was taken by a neighbour.

 

OK the situation was not helped by Mr Adubi being uncooperative and refusing to provide his identity. However, Mr Adunbi had not broken the law. He was wrongly identified by the police as a wanted person. They "believed" he was xxxxxxx "who is wanted, I THINK". He tried to avoid the situation and enter his own home and was then physical restrained by the male police officer. He was not armed and he was not physically assaulting the police, other than trying to avoid being manhandled, he was not a threat nor threatening. There appears to have been no attempt to properly follow PACE procedures. There was no warning that he would be tasered, other than the WPC shouting taser as she shot him. In my view, the police action was wrong and the irrational action of the WPC should bring about her dismissal.

 

I am a supporter of the Police and firmly believe in law an order being properly exercised by the Police. In this instance it was not.

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I suppose law abiding sensible people would just stop and give their name and talk it through.

 

Unfortunately I suspect that it is the average police persons experience that their regular 'customers' are the ones who don't want to stop for a conversation and don't want to give their names. And so uncooperative chap not giving his name and trying to leave the scene is going to spark the situation up (and I think this chap will have known that).

 

The key is is it lawful (when you have done nothing wrong etc) to withhold your name when asked by the police. It's been 20 years since I looked at a criminal law book but failure to give details is IIRC an areestable offence bearing in mind that the police have a job to do and that job will almost always start with someone's name.

 

Alright I might not have tasered him but he's a big lad and she was a small copper. I'm old fashioned and think that all coppers should be 6' and male, but that's another thread!

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I suppose law abiding sensible people would just stop and give their name and talk it through.

 

Unfortunately I suspect that it is the average police persons experience that their regular 'customers' are the ones who don't want to stop for a conversation and don't want to give their names.

 

The key is is it lawful (when you have done nothing wrong etc) to withhold your name when asked by the police. It's been 20 years since I looked at a criminal law book but failure to give details is IIRC an areestable offence bearing in mind that the police have a job to do and that job will almost always start with someone's name.

 

Alright I might not have tasered him but he's a big lad and she was a small copper. I'm old fashioned and think that all coppers should be 6' and male, but that's another thread!

 

You "MIGHT NOT have tasered him" ?

 

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I do not know what footage was aired on National TV at the time but there is a video clip on ITV and it was shown extensively on local news. The video was taken by a neighbour.

 

OK the situation was not helped by Mr Adubi being uncooperative and refusing to provide his identity. However, Mr Adunbi had not broken the law. He was wrongly identified by the police as a wanted person. They "believed" he was xxxxxxx "who is wanted, I THINK". He tried to avoid the situation and enter his own home and was then physical restrained by the male police officer. He was not armed and he was not physically assaulting the police, other than trying to avoid being manhandled, he was not a threat nor threatening. There appears to have been no attempt to properly follow PACE procedures. There was no warning that he would be tasered, other than the WPC shouting taser as she shot him. In my view, the police action was wrong and the irrational action of the WPC should bring about her dismissal.

 

I am a supporter of the Police and firmly believe in law an order being properly exercised by the Police. In this instance it was not.

 

This ^^

 

The WPC over reacted. The guy is 63 years old, I'm fairly sure 2 police officers should have been able to handle him without resorting to using a taser.

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I wonder how many times the police have done that but are now caught out being filmed ?>

Done what exactly? We only saw the closing chapter of the story. Matey with the camera made the situation more stressful IMO. I don't have a problem with him recording but he got up real close to the officers and aggravated the incident because it was starting to look like he might interfere further.

 

All he recorded were the closing stages with regard to harassing our police force dealing with a belligerent potential suspect from leaving when all the 'victim' had to do was identify himself?

 

EDIT: I guess the suspects jacket was not a good location for a taser hit so she aimed for an area the probes would penetrate to bare skin.

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The key is is it lawful (when you have done nothing wrong etc) to withhold your name when asked by the police. It's been 20 years since I looked at a criminal law book but failure to give details is IIRC an areestable offence bearing in mind that the police have a job to do and that job will almost always start with someone's name.

 

 

Giving your name and address

The police do not have the right to demand your name or address without a reason. Generally, a police officer can only ask you to give your name and address if they believe you:

have committed an offence

are about to commit an offence.

For example, a police officer can ask you for your name and address if they believe you bought alcohol and you are under 18.

Other times the police can ask for your name and address are:

if you are driving a vehicle or boat and a police officer signals for you to stop. You must stop and show the police officer your licence or permit

if you are on the tram, train, bus or on public transport property (public transport inspectors and protective services officers can also ask for your name and address)

if you are in a hotel or licensed premises (staff can also ask your age)

if they believe you have information that could help them investigate an indictable offence. They must tell you what offence they think you can help them investigate.

The police must tell you why they want your details. If they don’t give you a reason, you should ask for it.

It is an offence to refuse to give police your name and address or to give police a false name and address if they have a lawful reason to ask you for your details.

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