McSpredder Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 In regard to armed police, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe is quoted as saying that “…we can’t afford to have officers think twice because they fear the consequences of shooting someone. That’s how they get shot, or the public gets hurt or a criminal gets away with a gun.”http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4221644/We-t-armed-officers-warns-Hogan-Howe.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Rather different from the way some of our soldiers have been treated by the authorities in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Judging by some of the police shootings that have taken place in London in recent years a bit of thinking first wouldn't have been a bad thing. Does anybody really believe Mark Duggan had a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Judging by some of the police shootings that have taken place in London in recent years a bit of thinking first wouldn't have been a bad thing. Does anybody really believe Mark Duggan had a gun? Do you believe he didn't? AFAIK he was throwing it away when shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Do you believe he didn't? AFAIK he was throwing it away when shot. I totally believe he didn't, the gun that was mysteriously 'found' under a bush, a long way away and an hour later (that did not have his fingerprints or DNA on it) was just planted to save face. It stretches belief beyond breaking point Edited February 15, 2017 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon1 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Judging by some of the police shootings that have taken place in London in recent years a bit of thinking first wouldn't have been a bad thing. Does anybody really believe Mark Duggan had a gun? I think they had good intel to suggest he did, and he was proppa gangsta cretin too. I've no problem if they shoot anyone who waves a broomstick at them. When you're ordered to stop by the police, you stop. All this sht about 'it was only a toy gun' or 'it was an air rifle' is pathethic. I can make pretty quick decisions on safety when shooting, but I'm not fearing for my life at the time. Big difference. Edited February 15, 2017 by Simon1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) I think they had good intel to suggest he did, and he was proppa gangsta cretin too. I've no problem if they shoot anyone who waves a broomstick at them. When you're ordered to stop by the police, you stop. All this sht about 'it was only a toy gun' or 'it was an air rifle' is pathethic. I can make pretty quick decisions on safety when shooting, but I'm not fearing for my life at the time. Big difference. +1 I wouldn't want to be in that situation, having to make a split second decision and I certainly wouldn't do anything to put the police in that position. Edited February 15, 2017 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Bit like the guy shot on the M62 slip road being a good boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Bit like the guy shot on the M62 slip road being a good boy. the one near hull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 um a good boy he was not as we know keg dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) um a good boy he was not as we know keg dave he was a total scumbag, no doubt about that but the gun that was retrieved from the car was in the boot, just making a point. The police don't have the luxury of saying " I thought he might, so I shot him just in case". Its not a job that I would do, but they volunteer for it, they don't have to, but with it comes the responsibility if they get it wrong Edited February 15, 2017 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 It cannot be easy to make that split second judgement to pull the trigger and I would bet good money that very few of us on PW have ever been in that situation. I know a couple of chaps who have worked in this area and without doubt they are extremely level headed individuals who I would trust my life to. For anyone outside of this specialist area to comment with any hope of being correct is stretching credibility a little far. I have never had to make the decision to pull a trigger to take a human life in order to protect others, but I am extremely glad there are those out there that are willing to carry weapons to protect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) I am a big gun and like all shooting sports but if I was a British police man/woman I do not think that I would want to have a gun if you did actually use it and shot someone from what I have seen of it you will be suspended and they will do a long enquiry and if you could not prove it 100% that they other person was going to kill you then you could end up going to prison yourself now that takes guts to do a job like that. on this subject the other day on the radio they was saying about two young boys who told to there friends at school that they was given toy guns hearing this one of the teachers found out and told the head who puled the boys out of there class and locked them in a room then got the police to come and find out about the guns I should add that they did not take the guns to school and that the guns was I think green plastic ones the mind boggles. Edited February 15, 2017 by four-wheel-drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 the one near hull? Huddersfield East - on the Eastbound side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 It cannot be easy to make that split second judgement to pull the trigger and I would bet good money that very few of us on PW have ever been in that situation. I know a couple of chaps who have worked in this area and without doubt they are extremely level headed individuals who I would trust my life to. For anyone outside of this specialist area to comment with any hope of being correct is stretching credibility a little far. I have never had to make the decision to pull a trigger to take a human life in order to protect others, but I am extremely glad there are those out there that are willing to carry weapons to protect us. Well put sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 on this subject the other day on the radio they was saying about two young boys who told to there friends at school that they was given toy guns hearing this one of the teachers found out and told the head who puled the boys out of there class and locked them in a room then got the police to come and find out about the guns I should add that they did not take the guns to school and that the guns was I think green plastic ones the mind boggles. Easy to be boggled listening to hearsay with a lack of facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Judging by some of the police shootings that have taken place in London in recent years a bit of thinking first wouldn't have been a bad thing. Does anybody really believe Mark Duggan had a gun? But what was in the shoe box he was handed in the taxi......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termin8r Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 he was a total scumbag, no doubt about that but the gun that was retrieved from the car was in the boot, just making a point. Was that as well as the one found in the footwell then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Yep. Been there done that all through the 'fun' times of the early late 60s, 70s and early 80s. Remember the Black Panther, said he would shoot any police officer that went near him? Numerous terrorist organisations now forgotten, as well as the common everyday armed robber. Ever so easy to sit in an armchair bit different when the hairs start to stand up on the back of your neck in a dark stair well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Judging by some of the police shootings that have taken place in London in recent years a bit of thinking first wouldn't have been a bad thing. Does anybody really believe Mark Duggan had a gun? If intelligence says he carrys a gun regularly as soon as you see something that remotely looks like one or looks like he is moving to use one then that's justification to shoot imo. You can't give them the chance. Fact is if he was normal bloke not known by police he wouldn't been shot. He was a gangsta and knew the risk he was taking and deserved every bullet he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Bit like the guy shot on the M62 slip road being a good boy. That's was more an assassination. I'l be honest, I don't have a problem with the police doing that. A lot of the really bad criminals seem to literally get away with murder. Probably because they can intimidate witnesses. If the police can deal with them like this everyone wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Yep. Been there done that all through the 'fun' times of the early late 60s, 70s and early 80s. Remember the Black Panther, said he would shoot any police officer that went near him? Numerous terrorist organisations now forgotten, as well as the common everyday armed robber. Ever so easy to sit in an armchair bit different when the hairs start to stand up on the back of your neck in a dark stair wel That is one of the biggest problems of everyday life. Split second decisions are judged at length in hindsight by newspaper reporters who's sole aim s to sell newspapers and Walts who think a high score of Call of Duty qualifies them to critisise those who put their own lives on the line to keep society safe. Now off my soapbox to recall an incident I attended many years ago near to the house of one of the first Supergrass informants, who incidentally had been shot in an assassination attempt a few months earlier. He survived due to his ballistic vest. We stopped a man who had been reported as acting suspiciously near to the house of the Supergrass. When I and the raw rookie probationer constable approached the middle aged man he said: "It's OK lads. Here's my ID." As he reached inside his jacket I saw a shoulder holster with a pistol inside. What would you do as an unarmed police officer? After the guy had been flattened over his Ford Granada, nose broken by the impact of face on bonnet, arms twisted behind him in a way that God had never intended them to be, he managed to utter:" RCS, RCS!" (RCS was the Regional Crime Squad). They had received information of a new threat to Laddo and were in the area in plain clothes and armed to act if necessary. Broken nose or three bullets in the chest. The decision was the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx4cabbie Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 ^^^ this. If you're sitting for an uncomfortable half hour being told how nasty he is, what witness intimidation he's done, and the killings he's suspected of, then see a package handed off, that you've been told is a gun; as soon as you see movement my imagination would be leading me to just one conclusion. I'm certain that I don't have the wotsits to do that job, but were I the bloke behind the warrant card, having done the hard stop, if the chap moved an inch I'd probably shoot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 But what was in the shoe box he was handed in the taxi......... They never saw a shoe box being handed to him, they never saw anything being handed to him, they finally had to admit . The car following him was stopped (hiding) around a corner and could only see the back corner of Duggan's taxi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 In my opinion it is simple, regardless of guilt. If an armed Police officer points his gun at me, then I'm cooperating, no arguing, no movements other than what I'm told. I don't want to be shot and I'm 100% confident that the officer doesn't want to shoot. I'll never understand these people that don't cooperate. Armed response police don't get ready for work thinking I wonder how many people I can shoot today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Easy to be boggled listening to hearsay with a lack of facts It was much more than that they had the boys parents and some teachers involved in what went on so it was a lot more than just hearsay. Edited February 16, 2017 by four-wheel-drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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