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With the improved ballistics of modern cartridges there has been a trend towards lighter and lighter loads, and also to the use of multi-based powders that give lower recoil characteristics. Consequently, second barrel failure when light loads are used on guns with inertia blocks has become more prevalent. I am of the view that owners of inertia block fitted guns should all be aware of the symptoms of a failed discharge from a light load because the recoil did not set the second barrel, and there should be a mainstream procedure recommended for taking the second shot. In my opinion a knowledgeable person undertaking a controlled reset procedure is infinitely safer than an uninformed person taking a non risk assessed correction that may be inappropriate to the cause. What are others views on the acceptable procedures for mitigating an inertia block reset failure? JPY

I'm breaking an E Rizz no2 sideplate - foreend is £40-00 posted, wood only - or £50 with the iron.

The eBay stocks are later I Rizzini, not compatible - but why not simply add a deep rubber pad to the existing cut down? Type 68 Cervellati pads are 30mm, over an inch, and these and similar ones can add the length required back in with a nicer pad than the E Rizzini original hard plates.

There are two types, which? Older short type that use a G key or later longer that are flush for a 4 lug key?

Remi 1100 barrels - choice: 25" skeet ( 1/8th) 30" 1/4 either £75 delivered Remember also, because of the long breach in a 1100, these are the actual barrel lengths out of the gun not including the tang - and give a gun length 2" longer than an equivalent U/O - ie, a Remi 1100 with a 28" barrel is the same overall length as a 30" U/O

Too low is always a problem. Too high is really a non-existent "problem" - the eye high of the rib is usually a positive advantage. Work out the geometry. The eye 5mm high at the back of the rib, with the barrel length around a meter throws a pattern only 5cm higher for every 10m out to the target, irrelevant in a pattern around 75cm - and that assumes you sight the target through the bead, which you should not ( the usual cause of guns slowing or stopping is "aiming" through the bead). If you have your eye high, you point the gun using the rib in your lower periphery vision at the place you want the shot load to go, with the target in clear sight above the bead. With the eye high of the rib, the shot load rises slightly to centre the clearly visible target that is viewed above the bead. Raising people's eyes off the rib usually has a dramatic positive impact on the score rate - burying your head and "aiming" through the bead will normally have a negative impact on scores.

But that the club has commercial cover that may settle a claim, that does not stop the liability running back to the shooter. If you do not carry your own insurance and reply on the clubs, then: Have you read the policy and know the extent of cover? Do you know the premiums are up to date? Is there an excess you might be reponsible for. and finally, if insurance exists at the ground and supports the claim, this means to claiming party is paid out by the ground's underwriters, but having done so what makes you think that they will not seek to re-imburse their settlement from the person/s who caused the claim? For minor claims its probably not worth the administration, but you can be sure they will be knocking on your doorstep for reimbursment if a loss of sight claim for £10,000 was paid out. Whatever cover you might have under a club's policy will be bare bones. You will not have any legal cover to represent yourself within a claim, no license revocation, no personal accident. Remember, club's policies are to cover their negligence, not your negligence as a shooter. If you as a shooter on that ground cause a claim to arise, and the claimant claims on the club policy, loss adjusters will only pay out if you as the person causing that accident can prove negligence on the part of the club i.e. unsafe stands, no controlling public access, etc etc. If their is no fault by the ground, loss adjusters will recommend the claim is not met, and the claimant will be directed straight to you. To then engage the club's insurance to settle the claim, you will need to sue the club, or if you are sued, to join them in the action. When you can carry your own insurance for between £25 and £70 depending on the organisation, it would seem foolhardy to think that because a club has cover, that it comprehensively covers you against potential claims. Afterall, the minimum cover the club needs to hold is employee's liability cover. Have you actually looked to see whatever cover they have is extended to shooters? and if so what are the terms of that cover?

Nice to be endorsed, but I would also comment that 1hr lessons are not enough. The problem is that you can fix within the lesson, but there is not enough repetition within an hour, you'd be lucky to get 50 shots away after the fitting process. and that would be a rushed one. I generally take 1 to 1 1/2 hours to get the eyes tested, fit correct and take the client through stance and mount. And remember, a competent shooter will have a set of different starting points for the gun according to the shooting method they will employ for the shot to be taken, and the angle of the flight line. eg, the mount for a high pheasant is different (Stanbury method) from a close crosser (Pull away method), and different again for a quartering bird taken Move Mount Shoot, aka Biddy's method. I define and teach 4 gun down and gun up sporting mounts, gun up trap mount, and three different mounts for skeet according to which stand - plus O/S and FITASC have their own mounts. I cannot provide a comprehensive gun fit followed by instruction in methods and mounts in less than about 4 hrs and generally use 6 hrs so as to be able to get 200 targets or so out and enough repetition that the correct swing and mount becomes consistent and sufficiently established in the sub concious that its not immediately lost in memory after the lesson. Unfortunately, 1 hr / 50 targets usually gets thins sorted with the instructor present, but the mount errors will immediately return the next time the shooter goes out as the new mount method will not have established itself sufficiently in the automated responses in the sub-conscious. To benefit from a gun fit, the shooter needs also to establish correct, but totally instinctive and reactive, swing and mount. You cant do this in an hour, master classes are the only way - i.e. all day sessions with 200 - 300 targets. A series of 6 x 1 hr, will not be as effective, as the shooter improves in the lesson, and slips back when out shooting without the instructor, so its two steps forward, one back, with short time-scale lessons.

I am slightly baffled here. Every-one's SG Sec 2 license has the procedure for a sale / purchase clearly written in the notes. Do EXACTLY what it says and no criticism can be made. Where does it say " cross through a sale". Its amazingly simple - do what it says on the license and you have complied. Do anything else and risk, at worst, gun seizure, revocation, prosecution, fine or custodial sentence. Your certificate is Crown Property, and to tamper with it a criminal offence. It says the seller must complete the buyers table and date and sign it - then both parties must report the sale / purchase. Nothing else. Why are people tying to invent procedure that is neither specified nor needed?

An entry on a certificate is an authority to be in possession of, not a statement of ownership. As such, it does not need to be qualified on your license as the guns possessive whereabouts is recorded on the National Register as soon as reporting of the sale completes, so no action beyond completing a sale entry on the buyers certificate and reporting is needed by the seller

This is the key. 90% of my clients that have either had a gun fitted or are contemplating this don't know how to get stance and mount correct to benefit from the fit. Correct dimension guns held poorly don't fit! Also, this is not an exact science, and what one expert considers correct fit does not match another's views. A colleague of mine reports that he makes a good living undoing work of of well known fitter, so if you are actually getting stock work done - choose your fitter carefully. Also, the ICSI had an investigation by a group of experienced instructors and coaches a few years back, and the conclusion was 2/3rds of gun owners needed stance / mount / technique - not fit. If fit is actually what's needed it should follow.

Webley and scott 28g M/C - 12.5" ST, extractors, 1/2" short pull and short barrels make for a good balance for youth. Little use, under 500 through it. £395-00 plus RFD delivery £20-00

Chainsaw sold to Luckyshot, thanks for looking and replies.

In stock new B'sound Titan 10 rifle £457-00 collected or £499 delivered, MRRP £607 + delivery) new B'sound Titan 14 shotgun £457-00 collected or £499 delivered These can also be supplied as a double unit for 20 / 24 or 28 gun configurations - we have a reduced one of these ex-stock, see below ex stock New 2nd* - Titan double door R20 £799 collected or £899 delivered, (MRRP £1214 + delivery, or perfect ones £995 delivered, 4 weeks delivery) * This is two R10's, one L/H and one R/H with fixing holes in one side of each to join them together. The have some minor damage from carrier handling that has been repaired and touched up. One small dent in one pillar on one and minor depression at hinge point on the other, plus some touched paint damage on the other corner. Photo's of the damage available, its such that it hardly shows in the images at all, needs close visual inspection to really see its there at all. info@abaclays.com for pictures of the R20 ( this can be altered to 24 gun ( 10 rifle 14 shottie) or 28 shotgun internal configurations at no extra charge

I have two chainsaws for sale:- Stihl 170 14" - recently serviced, new chain and spare chain etc - The saw is £160 new and the new spare blade £15-00 - delivered price £75-00 Oleo-mac 936 16" - heavy duty professional quality chain saw made in Italy, these are over £400 new - GWO - delivered price £100-00 Prices include courier delivery, pictures available on request via email ( cant post images on here as this message system does not support attachments or inserted images, only images linked to outside servers which I cannot provide). Replies requesting pictures of actual machines to info@abaclays.com Plenty of generic pics of both these machines on Google.

Webley & Scott U/O 28g M/C with short 12.5" junior pull and 26" barrels. Ex-display / demo gun - 200 shots or less fired, full yrs as new warranty, retail £649 - this one £495 only ( below trade dealers cost price). RFD delivery services or F2F nr Gatwick Surrey

Is it a Lincoln No 2 by E Rizzini, or the later Lincoln sideplate by I Rizzini? A picture is really needed to ID which Rizzini gun and its age.

Webley and Scott 28g 26" U/O M/C £495 - ex-demo gun £695 RRP - 12 1/2" pull Lincoln Premier Gold 28g U/O 1/4 and 3/4 28" - ex-demo gun, £595 - RRP £895 - 13 1/2" pull Guns in Surrey nr Gatwick, RFD services available.

I dunno, not all dealers have silly prices - although a good few years back, 2001, I bought an MX8 skeet from Chris Potter for £800-00 and am still shooting it. When the fore-end split he sourced one personally from Italy. Prices and service hard to beat. Try Chris.

There are two production periods for Zoli, and the chokes are different - you need to specify if for an Angelo gun ( older) or an Antonio gun ( newer and higher grade)

New ex-display from Red Kite Country Stores, Horley ( shop closed, all stock at my home, selling up discounted remaining stock as I retire) .22 Kral syn wood stock, b/action, muzzle break, scope rail - £99 .22 Kral syn wood stock, under lever, muzzle break, scope rail - £109 .22 Kral beech wood stock, under lever, muzzle break, scope rail - £119 .22 Cometa 220 b/action, uprated with a 300 spring, full power, open sights, scope rail, - £149 .22 Cometa 220C b/action, uprated with a 300 spring, full power, scope rail, moderated, - £169 2nd/hand .22 BSA Autosporter wood stock, open sights, scope rail, £125 All in Horley nr Gatwick. 01293 825556 Jerry

Wabbitbosher on here has a 28g Webley Youth U/O M/C with short stock, boxed ex-demo gun at Games Fairs etc. - With a 12 1/2" pull and 26" barrels this will have better balance than an average 20b. if your son 10-13yrs or slight built.

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E Rizzini no2 side plate SST, auto safe, 28" barrels FC 1/4 and 1/2 , 14 1/2" pull to rubber pad £195 + £20 RFD shipping. this is what an E Rizzini looks like, but not the actual gun,. The one for sale is similar with a solid pad - can send actual pics when there is light to photo it!

Brattonsound RL5+ is extra deep to take scoped rifles as well as shotguns, has internal locking compartment for Sec 1. New safes ex-stock RRP £285 + £28 delivery - our price to PWM £200 + £28 delivery, 3yr warranty.