Conor O'Gorman

The voluntary transition is for live quarry shooting. As awareness grows about steel shot effectiveness then perhaps more clay shooters will use it subject to club rules etc. Maybe something that @BobbyHcould comment on or ask the CPSA about? There are plenty of YouTube videos out there of people shooting clays with steel. With that in mind do listen to the podcast from the OP - lots of insights around correct patterning. Actually there is a big difference between having a personal view and going onto a public forum posting what is being posted by a few on here about the voluntary transition. The only online content I am seeing is from a handful of PW members and the academics and Wild Justice.

Well, that is exactly what we have stated to the HSE in our response to last year's consultation. And it struck me that those putting down the voluntary transition online are some UK-based academics, Wild Justice.....and a handful of anonymous posters on PW.

In consideration of wildlife, the environment and to ensure a market for the healthiest game products, at home and abroad.

Thanks, I didn't think you were giving aggro, I was just clarifying in response to your query that the voluntary transition is not a ban, it's a voluntary initiative - so very much your choice.

Yes, it's only for live quarry shooting with lead shot using shotguns and supported by organisations such as BASC, CA, GWCT, NGO and so on and its a voluntary move so its your choice what to do. https://www.gwct.org.uk/news/news/2020/february/a-joint-statement-on-the-future-of-shotgun-ammunition-for-live-quarry-shooting/

To answer your question it's about doing the right thing and the transition so far has been a success, given the challenges faced, such as the war in Ukraine and Covid.

I appreciate you don't support the voluntary transition. Its your choice. I believe we need to move away from lead shot for live quarry shooting for the benefit of the birds. Not much more to be said given that you don't wish to listen to the podcast nor speak on the phone.

The impact of lead shot on birds is conclusive and if you don't see it like that, fair enough. The GWCT has reviewed all the evidence and continues to do so. They are the experts and I trust their advice - which underpins the voluntary move away from lead shot for live quarry shooting. If you think you know better than scientists in the UK and worldwide studying lead poisoning in birds, fair enough.

There are background levels of lead in all foodstuffs. The podcast explores the game meat market and labelling much better than I can do it justice in writing. You would be best listening to the podcast. As per the OP.

Thanks, yes supplying grit stations could be an effective risk reduction measure in your situation. There are masses of studies showing that birds pick up lead shot as grit and the impacts. A good starting point is the GWCT website here: https://www.gwct.org.uk/advisory/lead-ammunition/effects-of-lead-on-wildlife-and-wildfowl/ As for game shooting the practical solution is to move away from lead shot to reduce the availability of fresh shot - which more and more shoots are looking towards.

Accountability is an inconvenience in politics but I’m sure you will agree a necessity. The Information you are supplying is not free from bias and is better seen in a context. That that is an inconvenience is I accept not to your liking . Ok, you are clearly not going to stop with the personal remarks. Therefore I am not going to engage any further with you on this thread. The offer of a phone call remains open.

Here it is again then...

Fair enough, its just another means of communication. At least you did take the time to look at the 2023 HSE background document and hope that helped.

Thanks, we can ask the producers on adding a plug in. It would be their decision obviously. However you can download the software to do so yourself - search "turn podcast into transcript". There are updates on the voluntary transition in form of articles in the sporting press - many online. If there is a specific aspect of the voluntary transition you are interested in let me know and I can point you to an article or two.

Nobody is talking about lead shot poisoning in humans - its the birds that are being poisoned. Nobody is talking about people dying from water in lead pipes. There is no discussion about birds shot with steel or bismuth who had previously ingested lead shot. I have covered your query earlier in this thread. Please stop making personal remarks about me. I hope you will listen to the podcast with is the point of the OP.

That is my understanding also. It is a culminative effect. I too am unaware of evidence of anyone ever dying of lead poisoning from eating lead shot game. Best to listen to the Podcast for the context.

No transcript - best to just listen to in the car perhaps? It's a great listen IMHO. No.

In that case the best thing might be to arrange a phone call with Terry? That could be a productive conversation based on your respective experiences using steel shot to good effect? If that is of interest please PM me or email me at conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk

Lead in game meat and lead pipes is dealt with. Please do listen to it all when you can. It is very good IMHO. Any free ranging chicks of the likes of Galliformes and Anatidae that eat even a single piece of lead shot will die whether directly or be predated on due to sub-lethal effects impacting on their survival. A wider point - there is background lead in every food and these levels are tested against agreed industry thresholds. Lead shot game has been found to exceed those thresholds. Hence this FSA advice: https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/lead-shot-game This is all covered in the podcast - please do listen when you can.

Because BASC is sharing it today on social media. It's a very good listen. Give it a try.

Detailed Q&A podcast into every aspect of the voluntary move away from lead shot and single use plastics for live quarry shooting - with lots of myth-busting: https://theshoothubpodcast.podbean.com/e/lead-shot-latest/

Please ask a straightforward question then. Let's start with one.

Feel free to pick up the phone and I will fill you in on governance at BASC and my day to day work outside of answering Q&As on PW.

Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding is. I am not an elected member of BASC Council. I work for BASC. The BASC Council is responsible for setting strategy and policy, while operational execution is delegated to the chief executive. https://basc.org.uk/about/governance-and-structure/

Thanks. An article in local press about the Rugby College classes here: https://www.cw-chamber.co.uk/news/wcg-170424/