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  1. It`s well worth going some online research to get a clearer idea of how the Birmingham gun trade actually worked. It was a seething cauldron of independent outworkers and specialists making the basic components to be finished elsewhere in the trade, often in the same building. Hammer guns such as yours were assembled from trade components made by a dozen different manufacturers and it was the intended price of the finished gun that determined it`s quality of finish. As an example one tradesman may have made nothing but trigger guards. Different qualites were available from him but basically they all looked the same unles something special was ordered. The same with screws, locks, hammers etc. One of the reasons that all the guns of a similar type to yours all look the same. One of the most prolific of Birmingham makers was Wrights who supplied finished guns to the trade, including Russell Hillsdons, Churchills, Charles Hellis and many others, and yet they are virtually unknown outside of the trade. Good luck with finding out more about your gun, you`ll enjoy exploring the Brummy gun trade.
  2. The more I think about what you say, the more it seems likely. Heaven forfend then, that when BASC launched it`s transition to steel campaign, (Be that misguided or otherwise) could it be that some of the cartridge makers could have been being slightly disengenious about exactly what they knew about it? Surely not? We all know that BASC are inveterate liars and all cartridge manufacturers are paragons of virtue.
  3. "Wildfowling Tales, Past and Present" by Allen Musselwhite. Published last week and available from Amazon for less than a tenner.
  4. I`m slightly confused by this. Was it not Gamebore who, when the BASC/lead thing blew up recently, that stated that they did not have the product or capacity to help with any transition. Or have I got hold of the wrong end of this particular stick.
  5. Many thanks gents, especially Farmboy. I was aware of the thin brass case and thought that some of the US/Canadian manufacturers made a paper cased 3.25" ,but I did`nt realise that Eley made a 3.25 " paper case 12 bore cartridge. You learn something new every day! Thanks again.
  6. Thank you gents. Harkom, thanks for that. I can find reference to 3 1/4" chambered 10 and 8 bores, but not 12. Do you remember where you saw them?
  7. I thought it referred to Teresa. Her other half unexpectedly missing the pink, if you know what I mean.
  8. Does anyone know anything about the 3 1/4" 12 bore cartridge? Not the modern 3 1/2 ".Google contains nothing that I can find. Developed between the wars, I`m aware of its existance but can find little else. I remember reading that, prior to a shooting trip to Canada in the 1930`s King George v (?) took delivery of a 3 1/4" chambered 12 bore specifically for wildfowling, and another contributor on PW mentioned almost having bought one. I have a vague recollection that the Canadian Imperial cartridge company made a conventional 3 1/4" 12 bore cartridge, rather than chamberless thin brass cased, but otherwise can find nothing. Does anyone know anything about it?
  9. Just an observation. Smocks are notoroius for overheating since you can`t ventilate them adequately. If you buy a smock now you`ll find it very oncomfortable to wear until the weather turns really cold.
  10. My apologies if you know this already. Brass case guns are often chamberless and since the intended brass cartridge wall is thinner than the contemporary paper cartridge the barrel bore size is often greater than the nominal 12 bore. Many require 11 or 10 bore wads to get decent obturation and they shoot best with the thin brass cases rather than modern plastic where the pattern can be poor for this reason. Brass case guns are often found in exceptionally good condition because they had very little use, for the above reason, after the thin brass cases became unobtainable after ww2. (?)
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    Sometimes called the Summer Teal.
  12. How is a barrister supposed to have the faintest idea of what life is like for the working man?
  13. It`s important that we all keep up the pressure on the police to compell them to get a set of uniform and common sense interpretations of the new Regulations so that countrywide enforcement is the same. We already have mission creep by the police with regard to medical notes and certificates. It is not the job of the police to interpret legislation themselves and we witnessed the heavy handed reaction from some forces who seem to have lost all touch with the common sense that the British police were once so famous for. If we`re not careful, one spin off from coronavirus will be the need to inform the police every time one goes shooting. Looked at logically, there can be fewer safer places than sitting alone in the middle of an isolated field, having driven there in a near hermetically sealed car on roads almost completely devoid of traffic.
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    My gall bladder blowing up triggered sepsis about eight weeks ago which was deeply unpleasant. Worryingly, it leaves you with a seriously depressed immune system which is no fun with coronavirus stalking the land.
  15. Fairly generously cut and waist size is usually quite accurate.
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