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She entered the river, as yet no one seems to know where, was it above the weir, or below?

No. Looking at the figures (statista) for 21/22 the top 7 asylum seeker applicants countries are, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Albania, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan. Around 30 + K people, of which only Albania is not a country which is suffering from war, or oppressive regimes. So take 4.5k from this total and you have the majority fleeing war or persecution. If you can give figures for your more accurate assertion I would be obliged.

1- No she (Begum) was a British subject and until either she exhausts the limits of the justice system, as is the right of all citizens or accepts the decision. Therefore is allowed to use legal aid once the decision is final that's it. People who claim asylum here can't get legal representation from their home land, they are mostly fleeing war and oppressive regimes after all, so being British we provide it, because this isn't downtown Tehran. 2- If we don't use the system correctly, and the system seems to me to have been used correctly, then we just have a kangaroo court. If you are unsure of what the term means, go look it up. We have a legal system that applies to all, end of. Exactly, and the legal decision has me wondering how they think that they can overturn the decision.

That was well covered in the judgment and due to her statements to the press etc she is considered to be a possible threat. Link here (pdf download) Read the first 4-5 pages then skip to 18 onward

Interesting, selling off justice. Are you saying that we should have a tiered legal system, not sure that is a good thing! For the same reason we can appeal decisions here, whether it is against a decision on refugee status or against an unduly light sentence and because we have a fair justice system. If you prefer a kangaroo court then more fool you.

Oh dear, I just bought 2 mk4 fenns...

Does this also apply to the whole of the country, and if not why not?

You can't, but thanks for trying

That would get a few blood pressures sky high on here as they don't pay for the Beeb and would if we jailed her, surely if its a matter of money then the status quo is the cheapest option?

For those who wouldn't watch, you should have, the interviewer was very fair but didn't pull any punches and in the end she did her cause no favours at all.

Okey dokey, how did it pan out, like 76? No, we aren't bogged down, nor are we knee deep in snow.

Absolutely, not denying what he said, but the body could still have been drifting in and out with the tide or could have been missed due to the depth of water at the time of search. I'm sure that we all thought Michael Fish was an expert to be listened to in 1987 too.

Strangely enough I had a facebook memory come up last week from 14 years ago when we were training near Dunkeld. Yes.

Not being pedantic but I believe the search specialists only went as far as the weir and beyond that was the police, possibly also the fire service if it was a rescue, police are responsible for body retrieval. The river is tidal below the weir so from high to low water a body will follow the flow downstream unless it gets caught up in a strainer (tech term for anything that will stop a person, such as submerged branches, gabion baskets, etc). As yet we don't know if she was caught up in the area she was found and has been there ever since. The problem with finding a person under the water in a tidal stretch is exactly that, the water depth is varying over time so if you search the bankside looking into the water and probing at high tide you could quite easily miss them.

Walked past it jumped in? She knew the area.

As has been said, it's tidal there. I suppose that could work, however with the world and his wife descending on the place to rubber neck or play amateur CSI along with a large police presence you would need to be a main master criminal. @chrisjpainter 😆👏

There you go again! Where did I say that?

It implies nothing of the sort, it is asking for things to be examined on a similar basis. UK residents that need help have a variety of options open to them depending on their situation, someone fleeing war or persecution has one... to GTFO now! They can't go to citizens advice, they can't write to their council or MP.

Nope, you accused me, you prove it. Re. Top paragraph; again I did not say that nor imply it. You brought up ex service personnel and PTSD. No. How about, wanting peace, or not wanting persecution?

So what? The specialist searches were above the weir from the accounts in the press until recently when they widened it to include the downstream area. The body was discovered, again according to reports, in reeds and even if the body had been there all that time side scan sonar wouldn't have seen anything other than reeds. Yes the forensic team need to do their work but I would think it likely that the body had spent some time descending and ascending the upper tidal section before ending up in the reeds, it's also interesting to note in the photo of the banking and tree, how far debris is in the branches which gives an idea of the tidal height range. This can hinder any searches as the body can be caught low down and only seen in low water conditions and the police only have a certain number of trained officers yet dog walkers pass regularly and at various tidal stages.

That's also been repeated time and again, most want to be in a country that they have family and friends in, or they speak the language and feel that they will be able to communicate and integrate better. Surely people can use an Internet search engine and find these things out for themselves? See above. Please indicate the posts where I say that.

Asylum seekers don't have to stop at the first safe country, otherwise the Ukrainian asylum seekers would be in Poland. Same goes for Turkey being flooded by Syrian, Iraqi etc refugees. https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/#:~:text=Do people have to claim,UK if they reach it. https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ https://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees You know this but refuse to accept it

Yemen, Ethiopia, Somalia, Syria? Do you really not know about these conflicts? Then there is the oppressive regimes such as Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq etc So if we had the same regimes here a good few people on here would have disappeared or been arrested.

Are they fleeing war or persecution?

It's a tidal river below the weir, so it could have travelled many miles. Edited