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Any update?

This USED to be the case, but the proof house will no longer "proof" a shotgun that has been restricted to meet the requirements of the act - they did it initially to cover the crimped tubes etc and the change in the law, but will no longer do so. This is as a result of home office regulation. You can debate it all you like - but I have sat with the proof master trying to get this resolved - once a Section 1 - always a Section 1. (Now!) Mike

I only pay £63 per 1000 CCI's! Mike

Now - Kent, not like you to be pedantic! - but the .240 equates to 6.095mm - which is why all the 6mm's are Deer legal (Providing they use a suitable bullet weight and develop sufficient FPS and FT LBs) Maybe that is why my 6mm is also listed as a .240 on my ticket? likewise for ammo purchase! FACT is that THE LAW and not Pigeon watch members STATE that the minimum calibre is .240. There is no debate - it is FACT!

Not wishing to b*tch - but that is twice now you hgave said that .243 is the minimum calibre for deer in England and Wales - and this is the second time I have corrected you (I am not targeting you)- but the Minimum calibre is .240 NOT .243 In answer to the OPs querstion - Like above I would look at one of the other 6mm calibres (There are a few!) - I shoot the 6.5x55 for Deer and fox, plus it shoots out to 1000+ on the range with very good ballistics. Mike

If you are going to reload - I use Sierra 55gr Blitzking's through my remmi with a 1 in 12 barrel and they are superbly accurate out to 600 yds. They are excellent on fox and rabbit out to 300 yds. Mike

You LEGALLY must use non toxic shot NO MATTER where the ducks/waders are located. Mike

Even though this is an old thread - another option that has not been mentioned is the HM forces route - RAF Armourer as an example - learn the basics of the trade and leave with the skills to go forward and work for oneself. Mike

There has been some good advice above and some inaccurate advice too. As you are in Scotland you can shoot Roe with a 22 centrefire rifle. It must use a bullet of at least 50 grains AND have a minimum muzzle velocity of 2,450 feet per second AND a minimum muzzle energy of 1,000 foot pounds may be used So something like a 222 or 223 would cover you nicely for Roe and Fox, plus long range rabbits. In England and Wales it needs to be a .240 Calibre and minimum muzzle energy of 1,700 foot pounds for shooting Roe and the larger deer. Mike

You are going to need to reload an awful lot of ammo to save any money!! If you do get bitten by the reloading bug then it will probably lead to you shooting to reload as opposed reloading to shoot!! Time you spend out on kit, then realise that what you bought is not up to the job and buy again!! (Take a deep breath and buy just the once - spend more pennies and it hurts less in the long run!!) You then need to buy, brass, powder, primers and bullets to feed your new hobby!! - it will be a lot of rounds down the line before you break even, let alone save money. Mike

Yet another Trial by PW Good luck with the search for a gun - plenty out there at sensible money Mike

I had my 26" Remi 700 VLS shortened to 19" by Stuart Anselm at Osprey Rifles - he also cut a target crown on to it for me. This gun was accurate before, but now it really does shoot 1 hole groups at 100 yards - with the 19" barrel it is good out to 600 yards, but after that it really does start to struggle. I have not had mine threaded and shoot it as is - it is an awesome rifle now, balance is spot on although it is still heavy, it is easy to hold and shoot off hand, off sticks or off the bi-pod. Mike

The .223 Rem cartridge uses a bullet of .224" dia. Mike

And your drop chart to 1200 Mike

From Quickload Cartridge : .308 Win. (CIP) Bullet : .308, 155, Sierra HPBT MK 2155 Useable Case Capaci: 50.361 grain H2O = 3.270 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm Barrel Length : 29.0 inch = 736.6 mm Powder : Hodgdon H4895 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads ! Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms -20.0 78 36.40 2429 2031 30768 5145 93.6 1.649 -18.0 80 37.31 2484 2124 32731 5283 94.6 1.609 -16.0 82 38.22 2539 2219 34815 5414 95.4 1.569 -14.0 84 39.13 2593 2315 37028 5540 96.2 1.531 -12.0 86 40.04 2647 2412 39376 5659 96.9 1.489 -10.0 88 40.95 2701 2511 41869 5771 97.6 1.449 -08.0 90 41.86 2755 2612 44516 5876 98.1 1.410 -06.0 92 42.77 2808 2713 47327 5973 98.6 1.373 -04.0 94 43.68 2860 2816 50313 6063 99.0 1.337 -02.0 96 44.59 2913 2920 53488 6144 99.4 1.302 ! Near Maximum ! +00.0 98 45.50 2964 3024 56865 6217 99.6 1.269 ! Near Maximum ! +02.0 100 46.41 3016 3130 60458 6280 99.8 1.237 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +04.0 102 47.32 3067 3237 64285 6335 100.0 1.206 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +06.0 104 48.23 3117 3344 68364 6380 100.0 1.176 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +08.0 106 49.14 3167 3452 72715 6419 100.0 1.147 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! +10.0 108 50.05 3217 3561 77363 6456 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value: +Ba 98 45.50 3071 3245 67375 5958 100.0 1.189 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE! Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value: -Ba 98 45.50 2811 2719 46650 6233 95.8 1.377

What weight of bullet? what length of barrel are they home loads or factory? (if home loads, brass, primer and powder - if factory - brand please) If you give us the info, I'll run it through quick load which will give a very close result of MV - then through Quick Target which will give you your bullet drops (approx) You can tinker the figures to fit your known values for 100, 4,5,6 then Mike

Have you tried Steve @ Trent Firearms? or Phil @ Leek Shooting supplies (The one by Morrison's) - I am sure either of these would order you some in if they don't stock them, both are really good. Mike

I've got one in 9mm - very nice rifle - no feed issues, use CZ75 mags (Identical to the Tangfolio ones it comes with but cheaper) It is not fast enough to use for Gallery Rifle competitions, which was why I bought it initially. Is it worth the money? No, not in my mind. Not selling mine though, like it to plink with - I have the synthetic stocked version - good luck trying to find one - they are like gold, and Peter is not making many now. (9-12 month lead time on one) Mike

Hi You didn't say which powder? (Or if you did I missed it, sorry) So I just tried this with H322, Benchmark and Varget - 12.3 grains - removed and tapped - no change on Either my 505's or my Redding Model No 2. Plonked on to my RCBS digital scales and 12.3 grains. Back on to both balance scales - still showing 12.3. Tip it to one end of the pan - still 12.3. (I did tip a bit out on one occasion - but that was my fault!!) I note you say trickled - are you using an electronic or manual trickler? I Chrono my loads, and am looking for the ultimate accuracy from them (An annoying quest!)

Yes I read the above post and dismissed it. A decent set of balance scales produces consistent results - ok, if you are running safe loads then the result is not critical - but when running hot loads the results are critical - when I started reloading I used to double weigh - then I bought some better scales - now I know that the weight will be correct. Just as an aside, I loaded 200 hundred 308 rounds last, no I did not double weigh them all - but every now and then I did out if curiosity take the pan off the scale - tap it, shake it, move the load to one end - guess what? yep you have guessed it - it weighed exactly the same when it went back on the scale. Maybe it is because I know how to read and use my scale correctly? maybe because I look after it, keep it dust free? or maybe just luck? hmm - no it is because a decent set of beam scales for reloading is designed to be consistent and accurate. Mike

Sorted, no worries. I'll let you know when I am coming down. Mike

You need to buy a better scale or learn to use in properly - it does not matter where in the pan the charge is - it will weigh the same - unless you are using **** scales.

BB - are you in a rush? I will be down in Crynant middle of next month - I can drop you off a HUGE and I do mean HUGE bag of them - I have 2 HUGE bags and one will last me a lifetime I think!! MIke

I would suggest either getting the manual to match what ammo you wish to use or looking at their webiste. I shoot an awful lot of .223 and find, H322, Benchmark and or Varget do the job depending on bullet weight. Mike

My first shotgun was a cheap and cheerful Baikel sbs, I was 13. It has seen some work over the years. It is still in my cabinet today, my 14 year old daughter uses to shoot rabbits and pigeons. It might have been cheap and cheerful, but it is as tight today as the day I first fired it. Any gun, if looked after, will last a lifetime and longer. Mike