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The only way to solve the issue is by working constructively with the French, fact, whether we like it or not. Its been difficult for the last 6 years but now we finally have a credible PM I expect we might see some progress. Rishi just needs to keep Cruella out of the discussions…

Too busy dealing with people who think they’re smart, but are actually melts, playing games in real life😂

Matt who?

Sorry thought I’d replied earlier. Nice fish! The issue here, am there now, is the background noise and likely M25 air pollution. I’m on 107 now since Mid May with 16 30’s, may need to switch to the other place for winter but I’m still after two known fish from here which have so far eluded me. Suspect I’ve hooked both in the process but hookpulls are a plenty here, I assume due to the hard (chalk and flint) bottom. ATB and tight lines!

That’s one perspective. Another is that the leave outcome was not taken seriously and hadn’t actually been thought through. The big issue I have with the leave voters is they all claim they knew exactly what they were voting for, the issue is that none of them seem to agree on the details of what they were voting for. It’s left both sides disgruntled and the only “winners” likely to be the elite who were going to be ok whatever the outcome. Now, I’m not in the elite club so I’m not a winner in all this, but I’m certainly not going to be impacted the same way I fear others, particularly average earners, will be. My real concern is for my kids because whilst I’m doing ok I’m not in a position to secure their financial well-being throughout their lives. Genuinely though, I ask you, what real benefit do you see in Brexit so far or in the foreseeable future and I mean tangible / demonstrable benefits not sound bites, bus slogans or smug satisfaction that those who voted remain lost? Can you please also explain to me how you feel that “those in power” had anything but gain in store for them by us taking back control?

Not entering into a going around in circles discussion on this. The notion of a clean break from the EU was a fallacy, never going to happen, that’s why people like me either voted to remain or abstained from voting altogether. Brexiteers bought into something that was never going to be delivered. Some now appreciate it was a scam, others can’t admit it and blame everyone / anyone else. Most of us are victims of Brexit, even if we refuse to admit it, putting the blame on those that opposed the notion in the first place is ridiculous at least and forum rules prevent me for conveying what I really think.

The pro Brexit folks need to stop blaming the Remainers and own the problems they have created.

We all have our crosses to bare.

Hope you feel better for that. I’ve defended the perception of us to them, haven’t got the time or inclination to defend their opinion of us to you.

Since you press me on the topic, I’d say yes they are hypocritical on that point. Agree with everything else except the Truss point. I’m not in any way saying she’s a thicko just not fit to serve as PM, that said Boris set a precedent 😂

Plenty examples there why I tend not to engage with you on this forum any more. Life is too short to try to explain it to you.

Agreed. Schoolboy argument around nurses earnings relevant to his wealth too, that MP needs to do better than that.

I have no reason to doubt that squire! The point is he doesn’t need to be overtly racist, he preys on some peoples subconscious biases and stirs such emotions. He’s very good at it, brilliant even. You know what, according to a MIT questionnaire I’m a borderline closet racist too apparently…

I don’t have a compiled list but India, Kenya & Nigeria for starters. Not sure where you’re going with this but hey ho. Like I said it’s a perception. The type of people you describe are amongst the racist I’ve ever met, ironic given that you and I would probably characterise them as from an ethic background themselves. I don’t agree that Sunak wasn’t a credible option. He did a decent enough job as CoE in difficult circumstances. I have no issue with his background and financial standing either. Deserves a crack at it imho and I’d certainly have him over Boris.

No, the only credible candidate. If you stood / still stand behind Trustless that’s your choice / conscience. She is /was a joke regardless of whether she sits central, right or far right. Fit for purpose over degrees or right every time imho. I think the Blair / Brown analogy would have worked better if Rishi had gone straight in and replaced Boris.

I don’t believe you’re racist. I can’t answer the majority of your questions because I’m a Brit currently living in the UK, I’m just telling you what friends and colleagues outside of the UK tell me. I don’t know if the issue is with France or the fact that the UK is a more attractive proposition, which if the latter is the case is likely due to numerous factors. I’d like to see evidence of how anything is better post Brexit, least of all illegal immigration into the UK. I kind of got the taking back control bit but look at the clowns who’ve now got control. In a two horse race the Conservative party couldn’t even originally pick the only credible candidate of the two, at least that’s now been corrected.

Classy interview from a classy news channel. I see nothing in the accounts from the women that they are racist. Read between the lines with what Farage is saying though. Just arm Farage with a gun boat in the channel, he’ll sort it.

I don’t agree with a lot the AB says or appears to believe but that doesn’t make him wrong on everything. Cruella is a nasty piece of work, could see that way back before her recent rise to prominence. In my experience she’s the worst type of racist. She is using one of the numerous falsehoods of Brexit to drive a, I was going to say dark, alternative agenda in my opinion. BTW it’s likely to end up with the RAF having to take “those people” to Rwanda as no sane commercial airline will touch it with a barge pole. Whether we like it or not, Brexit grew an international opinion that we are a racist nation. The Rwanda debacle nails it for some. I’m not saying it’s 100% valid but from an outsiders perspective if the former asserts a hypothesis then the latter certainly does reinforce it.

You’re entitled to your opinions and beliefs. Farage is smart, very smart and in general the public are very easy to manipulate.

There is that and I certainly don’t agree with everything he says but I believe he’s spot on with that one. PS we’ll never truly know what he believes re. the big guy upstairs (fwiw I think he even got the gender wrong but that’s a separate topic which we not supposed to discuss 🤫)

I agree with the Archbishops comments about him legitimising racism. It might not be as overt as Cruella ( Home Secretary) but she’s on another level. Ironic given that both of them are descended from refugees. That also makes them hypocrites.

Only time will tell but the truth lies somewhere between the two bookends debated here, I suspect the truth lies slightly more towards Rewulf’s account but in reality this thread ran its course about 68 pages ago.

+1 although to be fair I’d skip the trial

Surely what they’ve done today is an act of terrorism. Anti terrorist police, or more capable units should be taking them down.

There should be no talk of rejoining the EU. I’ve never voted Labour and can’t see myself ever doing so but I can’t see how, in general, they could be any worse than the current lot. To be clear I’m not advocating finding out and appreciate it would impact country sports, but honestly. It’s a mess of epic proportions and I really don’t know what the answer is. I would have “benefitted” from the proposed tax on paper (pocket) but as I said previously on this thread there is no point being personally minted if everything around you is impoverished. That seems to be the way we are going. I don’t follow the reasoning that supports that idea unless you’re so minted you can live on a yacht somewhere and / or have a private track you can drive your super cars around on. e.g. No point owning a super car that you can’t drive for fear of smashing it into potholes on a daily basis.