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Well I care as much about the big bag buys putting down thirty, forty, fifty thousand birds as they do about me. As they were quite happy to see me go under the bus rather than state in their "terms and conditions" that guns use non-lead shot. So because they cared more about the money than about self-policing their own operation everybody else goes under the bus? IF commercial shooting goes then so be it and the land they once leased is abandoned by them then it will perhaps become available to the small syndicate and such like. Good!

Like it was in 1988 with the failed lobbying to stop the ban on self-loading rifles? Or like it was with the failed lobbying in 1996 to stop the ban on handguns? Yeah. We could do with trying it the same again then. Maybe third time lucky eh? Just like this. Not funny for those who were there like my late grandfather a Lieutenant in 2nd KOYLI on 1st July 1916 in the first wave. But it makes the point re others comments on "lobbying". It didn't work in '88, it didn't work in '96. But you expect it to work now?

Thank you. Rees-Mogg let us remember lead the move to ditch the .50 calibre rifle ban. I think that input to MPs may be if use. And as to those saying the only way is by responding to the HSE Survey well NOTHING of what you write there will be read by any MP will it? Respond to the Survey, yes, but also better to then send a version of that to you MP also.

Can BASC and other organisations NOW ask members in rural and other Conservative held constituencies to write directly to their MPs asking Mr Johnson to throw out all the HSE UK REACH lead proposals? BASC and the CPSA and etc will all have lists of members and can all write to their members with suggestions for a letter. This is something that the organisations need to consider. I have sent this to CPSA (I am a member) and will post their reply. If anyone is a member of the Countryside Alliance and any other such as the NRA, NSRA and Etc. can they do likewise so that we can all see what our organisations are doing to proactively regarding lobbying MPs to then lobby Mr Johnson to get this thrown out from the top down rather than from, as at present, the bottom up?

I'd have to agree, yes.

It'll be better economy too and if not used for a while no risk of internal corrosion from this useless new petrol that has water in it and etc..

Like the late Diana Spencer.

You've just explained, for those that wonder "why" the original thinking behind the .38 Long Colt...supposedly! That is take a bullet the same WEIGHT as the proven "stopping power" .44 round ball in a large frame size muzzleloading revolver and then swage it down to nominal .36" size to enable it to be fired in a medium frame breechloading revolver...the Colt 1892 Army. And hey ho you've .44 stopping power but in a smaller and lighter sidearm. Or that was the the often told story about it. But as the Americans found out in the Philippines bullet diameter mattered also!

I used to commercially swage .455 Mk II and Mk III bullets with Corbin equipment. I could also make (as was specified when ordered) .455 Mk IV and jacketed .455 Mk VI bullets. The PITA was not the swaging but making the cores. I used to buy my made to 220 grains from either Mountain & Sowden or Peter Johnson's Ballistic Precision. I forget which. Both are long gone as are my dies and the press which were sold to Fred and Marion Clarke of Empire Arms, Edmonton when I decided it was less effort to commission RCBS via Edgard Brothers to make a run of one hundred .455 Mk II moulds. What happened after Empire Arms had them I know not.

Secondhand BRNO Model 2. Job done. What ever you do avoid a secondhand BSA Supersport 5 even if it's free as you'll spend money on spare magazines, weep when you lose them, curse when they fall apart.

This. Any sov, or half sov will always be worth what its is and can only become worth more. Leave the Franklin Mint tat to the commemorative Princess Diana doll crowd.

I can take my gun into my independent opticians. I daren't even ask that at Asda!

During the war...a man told me about his late father and his late father's circle of friends...they'd take .303 cartridges and pull the bullets. Then take out half the powder charge be it nitrocellulose of cordite use a dowel to open out the case and make a cork driving wad. The bullet would be hammered flat...so he said of they'd source lead wire and chop up the wire into "pellets" or ditto with the lead core from the bullet once flattened. Their very own homemade .410" cartridges.

I can see that there may be other reasons...such as a physical infirmity where a heavy gun with a light load might be the "medicine" suggested by the OP's GP. But elsewise I too cannot see...except with a major saving if bismuth used with a lesser amount of shot used...the savings from costs of primer, wad, tools and time. Even the powder savings is but pennies overall.

LOL! My GP Surgery last year decided as a matter of practice policy that "they wouldn't take part in the process". So in April this year, 2022, when I was to submit my FAC and SGC renewals I called in and asked for my records so as to use a third party medical certification scheme. At which the Practice Manager comes and informs me they have had a meeting about "the process". "Yes," says I, "I know you aren't taking part in it" To which I'm told they've now decided that they are and they'll be happy to do it. At £133! I made the comment that I was happy to see that at least they didn't sell their principles cheap!

Yes. That's surely the crux. If your "modern" .410" weighs the same as even a 20 Bore (and you are using 3" .410" with 19 gram loads) then IMHO you might as well use a 20 Bore! There's no cost saving, cartridges are harder to source and, indeed, less easy to load. For is not the joy of a .410" that it is a lightweight gun that weighs under five pounds in weight? I recently sold a .410" Zabala SxS BLNE here on P/W. It tipped the scales at 6lbs 1 oz! My late father's G E Lewis 20 SxS BLE chambered for the 2 3/4" cartridge weighed less.

Hi! What I have seen is a aluminium framed KOFS where the stock bolt wrecked the action. The .410" although a small cartridge in size works at high pressure. Is an ejector worth the extra cost? I have an AyA No 4 in .410" and it fails to eject Fiocchi 3" cartridges but works, consistently, with Eley Fourlong. I know it isn't what you want to hear but I'd actually think if handloading you'd be better with a 28 Bore or a light (home) loaded 20 Bore. I think your Basque SxS will do very well as a pigeon gun with, say, English #7 shot in lead. I don't know about steel though. Sorry.

Yes an old thread yet given the time of year still relevant. I always favoured English #3 for foxes in a gun choked half and half in both barrels as a minimum. Pattern fails before penetration and from actual testing I did on dead sheep English #3 will penetrate a sheep's rib so it will easily pas through the bones of a fox and into its vitals. Anything larger such as English BB and you have a very poor pattern density at distance.

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The other side of the picture is the bigger scandal IMHO is that the Government allows companies to use agency workers and so in effect these companies have you, the tax payer, subsidise their 1920's employment practices. I had the misfortune to be doing agency work at DHL at East Midlands Airport when the Ukraine war started. My contracted hours were Saturday 7pm to 5am and Sunday 6pm to 4am. Enough with my private pension and small service pension for what I need to have money coming in if I am not getting income from working as a self-employed worker in the low season of Winter and Spring. Then when Russian 'planes were banned from the UK they tell everyone to come in at 8pm on the Sunday and send them all home at 2am. So that's four hours at £15 an hour lost. Monthly it was £240 lost. So by the time you took off the journey cost (and the travelling time of forty minutes there and forty minutes back) the Sunday work I'd be better off at the local....three miles away and ten minutes travel...car parts warehouse. As I said to them "I don't come here...a twenty-two mile journey each way...to be told to come in two hours late and go home two hours early." My journey cost remain the same. I'm OK but a lot I do know then went on to Universal Credit to make up that lost money...which we tax payers then stump up for. The non-agency staff of course, those on a DHL contract, got paid for those four hours regardless. The agency workers didn't. So the DWP made up their lost monies. That, as said, is the other side of the picture. A government allowing 1920's employment practices to be subsidised by the taxpayer.

Cigar cutter?

Yes. Certainly not at all "fairly priced" are they! But, yes, for homeloading or a chance for a small commercial concern to bespoke load there may be a chance of such being priced with honesty.

I think that there either will be an exemption from the lead shot ban for the .410", or if there isn't, then fairly priced bismuth .410" cartridges will be less than bismuth cartridges in 12, 16 or 20 bore. So it is, yes, a "punt". But I think at least favourable odds. I think that they are (the non-steel proofed made guns) the only gauge of side by side game gun, the .410", that will keep its value or indeed increase its value in the post-HSE REACH years.

Get a good condition BSA Mark I Airsporter in .22. The one that self-opens the "tap" when you operate the cocking lever. I used one for years. It gives a huge increase in firepower. Use a good quality (that is NOT Wasp pellets) projectile and shoot through the shoulders. Note later Airsporters do not self-open the tap. Iron sights if your eyes are up to it are good enough for shoulder shots.