stuartc44

32.The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals. so what is wrong with this?

Anti vaxer? For providing a link to a government website document showing what the original post was about. You'll need to explain that one!

It says what the original post is referring to, read more.

So we agree that we shouldn't believe everything that is on the government website.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spi-m-o-summary-of-further-modelling-of-easing-restrictions-roadmap-step-2-31-march-2021

This, the point of the original post.

So what's on the government website is claptrap? Where do you get your info from then?

Better get in touch with Boris quickly, the document they are referring to, from which the piece I posted above is from, is from the government website!

The resurgence is a result of some people (mostly children) being ineligible for vaccination; others choosing not to receive thevaccine; and others being vaccinated but not perfectly protected(including those who have only received one dose, rather than two).This means population immunity –which is the reason the waves modelled here start to shrink–is not achieved from vaccination without further infections. 32.The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals. Is this the 'tripe' you are refering to?

It's not safe? So stay at home, problem sorted!!

You can't have one person distancing and one not, you're either 2m apart or you're not, sanitize hands upon entering and leaving the shop, not forgetting to sanitize everything you have bought and you're safe aren't you? Some won't be wearing masks because they are exempt. If you don't think it's safe then you should stay at home and let those that do get on with life.

How would they be taking chances with others lives? The others will be isolating if they think it necesary, or if going out will be distancing, sanitizing and wearing masks.

I think you'll find it involves continuing trials and collection of data.

The risks are not low enough for the UK medicenes regulator to give full approval are they? They will wait until they have more information to base their decision on. Unless you know more than they do.

Maybe 'trialling', the ones you have had they are still trialling. Why would would you put your child forward for testing anything until it's been fully approved for adults? It's possible risks of long term problems that are the issue.

With approximately 20% of the population under 16 years of age plus those with 'good medical reason' by your reasoning it's already at very great risk of failing. As for your lockdowns, those in higher risk groups should have been staying at home and those at low risk carry on working and then we won't be in quite so much debt. Of course, we had to save the NHS. It's pushed beyond it's limits every year with the flu, of witch there have been almost no cases at all this year. Due to way beds and staff were deployed, 'caution should be exercised in comparing overall occupancy rates between this year and previous years. In general hospitals will experience capacity pressures at lower overall occupancy rates than would previously have been the case.'

So if it doesn't stop you catching it, explain how vaccination will stop mutation. All the information I found said it is unknown if it stops spreading. You can choose to have an at the moment experimental vaccine if you wish, certainly not should have it.

If vaccine passports are not to be used for pubs and shops etc. does that mean you will segregate yourselves from those places?

So all under 16's and others who are told not to have it, those who wish to wait until the UK medicines regulator give the vaccine full approval are segregated to keep you safe from a virus you have been vaccinated against. Do you not believe that the vaccine works?

To compare deaths from covid and the vaccine, you need to know how many people die within 28 days of having the vaccine, not purely beacause of the vaccine. If not comparing like for like you will always get the answers you want. Or how about how many people actually died of covid not for any reason within 28 days of a positive test. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/man-who-died-after-falling-from-ladder-ruled-a-coronavirus-death-by-doctors-report/ar-BB1bd6ND

Exactly! And where is the official statistics of people dying within 28 days of having a vaccine?

No, read what I said again, it's for the law to decide. If it's against the law it is wrong, what I think has no bearing on it at all.

So they should only take action if they choose to, not purely if an offence has been committed. Not for me to say if it is wrong or not as it is not affecting me directly, that is for the law to decide.

Did the police? If so, yes. They control the law don't they?

you fail to understand the nature of a pandemic, if you are vulnerable you isolate, if you are are strong you continue working and living to keep the economy going. "That would be fine if they kept it to themselves, but that's not how it works." Then they take it home to their households, not you! You are isolating and social distancing and had the vaccine.