ChrisAsh

Thanks folk Not for competition as I am a **** shot but enjoy the 410 and 12g,have tried steel in 12g before and happy with it but hard to find locally and JC are £179 plus £15.00 carriage so just under the £5 per box "10 grams of steel will have more pellets than 14 grams of lead of the same size" does the 10 gram of steel take up the same volume of lead in 14 gram

Thanks guy's you are all quite fast off the ball 4 answers in just over a hour or two Problem is I need to get well under a £5 to make it worth while, anyone loaded steel and seen much difference in price against lead for the 410

Perhaps someone with experience can tell me if its possible to home load a 410 cartridge using 9 shot in 14 oz for skeet, cheaper than the cheapest 12 gauge cartridges i buy now at £5.00 per box If so would using the brass cartridges re-bored to take standard primers also make a big difference Quite honestly I am going through a tough financial period and £5.00 a box is limiting my shooting and it looks like all clay cartridges will soon be above that number soon If it can be done please say how

Hi Nice car just sold my freelander 2 What MPG do you get

Would they not have a larger area and therefore more air resistance and shorter range? I thought wile barrel length is part of speed its more to do with the length of burn of the powder and pressure so if the pressure drops of at say 25 inches the length of the barrel at 30 inches may actually slowed down by resistance of the barrel walls Just a thought

That wood is to die for, how can you let it go, use it for sporting

As a **** clay shooter myself I just buy the cheapest going and have no interest in competitions. But still cannot understand how people "say this is my favourite cartridge" apart from Recoil or pattern test how can you tell?. is it all a physiological thing, hit a couple of awkward birds or clays and forever after believe that that cartridge made the difference I can understand constancy to a certain level it must be better than variations, but if you pattern a gun you never get two identical patterns, so would things end up the same using the cheapest available

With such a large variation on cartridge prices and people often quoting, the higher the price the more consistent the shot, I wonder if any individual has taken a good sample from many makes, to compare how consistent the loads are, or if its just perceived difference. after all apart from retail and sending many samples to a proof house to check velocity and pressure variations its hard to judge. Even patten testing has large variables like wind and temp to upset results

with the potential of rough and tumble I think I would prefer a broken down shotgun pack with sturdy protection like poly light weight but strong, even a semi can be broken down to help with the lengh of the pack A slab is quite a heavy thing to carry any distance unless your a bootnick

At the end of the day its all perceived value in most things, Are old masters better that todays best artists, or is Jaguar V12 worse than a Ferrari V12 of the same age If you are very rich a £200 a head meal is something you can buy and enjoy or a boss or Rolls Royce, you cannot spend all your money naturally to just live o,n so you buy high priced items which have a perceived value because you can, but nobody really knows what is the best The big question is are perceived values really worth the money, are they really built that much better and who are the valuer's, is a unmade bed worth thousands of pounds or a con by mugs

If you take the average AA scores from say the 40's, 5-'s, 60's, with SxS and compare them with say the 80-2017, o/u 32" how do the they compare

Was it a trade secret as to how he filled in the pits? Great looking job

As far as I understand it Browning's have never made a shotgun to sell themselves , they have designed shotguns ,but then licenced production to a number of companies

As the tin states what sort of fibre is used in cartridges, and why cant you by fibre with sides to protect the barrels like plastic

On the other hand just look at how well the cheap guns sold to farmers in the period say 1890 to 1950 have lasted without CNC and modern steels etc

I brought little skeeters 12g to 410 some years ago and found they would not extract the fired cases, asked the company and they stated they were designed for Win aa cases where as the European cases expand more when fired and jam in Tube sets are the best solution one gun four gauges and little weight difference, some of them are universal fit a make just not backbored guns

Never new you could fit 24 gram into a 410 cartridge must be very tiny shot

Just did some basic sums on clay shooting at local little club, say 2 rounds of skeet a Saturday Cartridges about £4.75 box and Clays £6.00 per round come in at just over £1100 per year and few shoot just two rounds a week No wonder the club is loosing members all the time How much has powder gone up over say the last four years and why

Hard to beat the quality and wood on the Bettinsoll guns these days good prices andbuild quality, massive improvement to their old guns of yester yaer

As a shop owner but not shooting 10% just does not make any sense, average gun what £1000-1500 so 10%= £100-150 with most gun shops holding at least 20 guns would not pay the rates and how many guns sold a month, yet along staff costs and the same on cartridges £20 on a thousand carts. I understand the bits and bobs that also sell but can you really live on bits and bobs

Does anyone know what sort of markup the shops make on Cartridges, I imagine they must use 30% markup as a bare minimum to make it worth while, though a bit like asking a farmer if this year was good

But steel prices have also gone up to near Lead prices so thinking of just using 410 in 14oz home loading but price of powder is twice that of normal powder so near negates the change definatly gone from a relatively cheap sport to a very expensive one and that's just for us practise clay shoots

I would imagine a need for shotguns to stop drones being flown close to ships in harbour, especially now they have been modified to drop ammunition like grenades or worse Always had quartermaster plus one on deck at all times . maybe another on the bow now

No 4 all the time