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No, no, no Conor. That’s simply the party line. I’m away currently, hence my scant posts, and can only dip into the forum on rare occasions , but I’ll be back on the 21st and will endeavour to give the forum my full attention. 🙂

……and round and round we go. Any idea what BASC’s etc, ‘voluntary transition’ was in response to Conor?

Can you tell me Conor, what was BASC’s etc ‘voluntary transition’ in response to?

Acrylics will do it. Paynes Gray and white are all you need. Farrow & Ball make a colour actually called ‘Pigeon’. It’s available in sample pot size, but you’d be better off with the acrylics I mentioned. More variations in tone and tougher.

We once asked some EA staff who were working on a mates farm, this very question. They told us to ‘just shoot them’ ! We didn’t.

Quite. I’ve read in more than one article that without cheap Mexican migrant labour, the economy in those parts where it is prevalent, would be hit hard.

Yes, they are impressive boots indeed. I’m on my second pair. First pair lasted maybe 8 years or so of moderate to heavy use, and were only binned because I couldn’t find anyone to resole them.

Where there is evidence of domestic abuse, as far as I’m aware. This sounds to me that some forces are using that as a means to question partners, wives etc as a matter of course regardless of whether there is evidence or not. It is widely open to abuse of power by the police. Where does it end? For example: a neighbour ( a field away ) owns a dog which has already attacked two other dogs in the village and has had three attempts at attacking mine. It is a beast of a rescue dog and will rip mine to pieces, which goes into an adrenalin fuelled frenzy each time we meet. I’ve sworn once at the son following a very close do, merely because I didn’t see his dog coming through the hedge to get to mine until it was a foot away and I nearly jumped out of my skin! I have to bite my tongue as the owners know I’m a firearms owner, so my OH has tried to resolve the problem, telling me to stay out of it, but no joy. What if the rozzers ask ‘Any disputes with the neighbours?’ 🤷‍♂️

It’s a police initiative, not a government one.

Scarpa. Nuff said.

Ok, thanks….I think. However, the question ( along with many others ) still remains unanswered; what was BASC’s etc ‘voluntary transition’ in response to?

Thank you. I have a list somewhere of the chronology of the steel shot issue as far back as when Shifty Swifty was in charge of the LAG ( 2016?) and writing a blog I think for Mark Avery, and before that, if I can find it. I’ve moved house twice since then, once in an almighty rush! 🙂 I ask again, what was BASC’s etc ‘voluntary transition’ in response to?

Yes, cracking reads. Have read most of them if not all. Same here. Will give them a gander. The 87th Precinct novels of Ed McBain are well worth a read too.

Ok. Let’s try it another way. What was BASC’s ‘voluntary transition’ from the use of lead shot for live quarry shooting, in response to? You must know Conor; we discussed this during our phone call! This is fun isn’t it! 🙂

If they interview my ex I’m stuffed! 😄 She despises me!

And yet again you choose to ignore and evade any questions I ask ( or from anyone basically ) even when I have stated I have defended BASC’s position to others regarding their response to the HSE proposals in line with EU REACH stated proposals. If I’m wrong Conor, then what was BASC’s etc proposal of a ‘voluntary transition’ or voluntary phase out, in response to? A whim?

I get many things wrong Conor, but not deliberately. I have often stated on here ( do a search if in doubt ) that BASC haven’t called for a ban, to those who have accused them of doing so, and that the ‘voluntary transition ‘ was in response to HSE proposals calling for restrictions which amounted to a ban, in line with EU REACH. I haven’t got things ‘wrong for 4 years’, nor do I deliberately spread misinformation. The screen shot I posted on here is part of a statement issued online by BASC, and is there for all to see and pops up quite readily as a result from a google search regarding the banning of lead shot in the uk. It’s a bit rich to then accuse me of spreading misinformation when that statement is BASC’s, and repeatedly asking me to answer questions when you yourself simply ignore those of others but respond with evasive politico type jargon or just post a link which does the same. If the ‘voluntary transition’ fails ( as it clearly appears that after four years it is and will ) what will the response of HSE be? What is likely to happen? You repeatedly state that if people choose NOT to comply with the ‘voluntary transition’ then that is their choice, but avoid stating what the likely consequences will be. Why? Don't you know? I know many folk who do.

Is it simply a matter of timing? 😄 What difference does timing make to a proposed ban for live quarry shooting which will become a reality at some point very soon despite what you want to refer to as a ‘voluntary transition’? Has the HSE proposed a ban on the use and sale of lead shot for live quarry shooting in the UK? If the transition fails ( which is what is obviously happening ) what is the outcome likely to be? A ban, which is when BASC etc say ‘well we tried to tell you but you brought it on yourselves’! Brought what on ourselves? Something which was going to happen anyway? If it succeeds ( which it won’t, leading to a ban ) BASC etc can then claim we made a ‘voluntary transition’! BASC etc then claims the moral high ground but it amounts to the same thing! A ban. Isn’t this simply semantics? The quickest way to get us to stop using lead projectiles for live quarry Conor, is for cartridge manufacturers to stop producing them, but they aren’t. Even when and if they do, unless it is made illegal to buy or use lead projectiles for live quarry shooting or indeed for all shooting ( which is a ban ) then shooters will simply buy trap loads; they’re great for decoying. 🤷‍♂️

I thought you’d drawn a line under our conversations? This is an extract of a statement by BASC, found online. For whatever reason I couldn’t create a link, so screen shot it and cropped it to fit, so if it’s out of context then fair enough. I thought it worth posting after your refusal to answer any of my questions regarding .22rf ammo, and made the comment about there being no proposed ban regarding….well, anything really. 🤷‍♂️ You’ll note it mentions not only lead shot but also rifle and airgun ammunition. It is still noted that you have answered only one ( I think ) of the questions I have asked, answered one but only with a question of your own ( which I replied to ) and totally ignored others with a statement.

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Classic. Very nice.

My fascination for knives pales into insignificance compared to my fascination for guns! 🤷‍♂️

I know there are some avid readers on here, and not just those concerning the natural world or shooting related. I will and do read books concerning most topics, but for those who like a good detective/thriller type novel, I can most firmly recommend the fiction and non-fiction books of Joseph Wambaugh. He is a former LAPD Detective Sergeant and many of his books were made into feature films starring some pretty major actors back in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Actors such as William Holden, James Garner, James Woods, John Savage and the iconic Harry Dean Stanton! Movies include The Choirboys, The Onion Field, The Glitterdome, Black Marble and Blue Knight plus many others. I read all his books, most of which were stupidly binned ( along with many others believing I’d never read them again….have read most of them at least twice ) in a pique of annoyance when emptying the house following the split of a long term relationship with the mother of my kids. Anyhow, almost a decade later, and assuming he’d be gone by now ( in my defence he was a rookie during the Watts Riots in the 1960’s ) I went to my local bookshop to order a couple I fancied reading again, and lo and behold, not only is he still alive but still writing! Ordered everything I could which I haven’t read and it’s like being reunited with an old friend!🙂 Most are set in and around the West coast of America for obvious reasons, but if you’re into this genre you won’t find any better in my opinion. They are full of real life grit, hard bitten cynical cops who whilst having to deal with all the down in the gutter death and destruction of their daily jobs, are also effected by their own domestic circumstances of divorce, embittered relationships, alcoholism, self doubt and egos, plus generous helpings of laugh out loud black humour and sarcasm. They are an absolute delight, superbly well written with characters entirely believable and humanly flawed by someone who really really knows his subject. I can’t recommend them enough. Some are obviously dated ( by their setting ) but still hugely readable. His best non-fiction work in my opinion is one titled The Blooding, which was made into a UK tv movie or series, which was about two murders in Leicestershire which had the UK police beaten, until they got wind of an at that time embryonic UK scientific discovery known as DNA fingerprinting and how it was used ( for the first time in history ) to catch the culprit. It is a fascinating read, and worth noting the murderer was recently ( within the last couple of years I think )and fortunately recalled back to prison soon after having been stupidly released back into society under license. Anyhow, sorry for the novel 😄 but I just thought some may be interested.

Quite. The annoying aspect of all this for me, is that the rozzers know it will impress or placate an unknowledgeable general public and or politicians looking for an easy fix, deflect criticism from their shortcomings and cover their backsides, whilst doing absolutely nothing to address any real issues. It’s literally meaningless.

Thats me scuppered then! 😂 Note to self….Remember to tell OH not to mention the drawer full ( literally ) of at least 30 folders and sheath knives in the gun room, plus the gralloching set hanging up behind one of my jackets, plus what is left of my bayonet collection upstairs and a 10” Damascus Bowie type knife. There are also two obsolete calibre handguns. Bill Harriman must be pooping himself! 🙂 Wait ‘til mate finds out; he has sabres and a couple of Nazi dress daggers! He has a fiancé but they don’t live together so this probably won’t affect him. 🤷‍♂️