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You must have missed the bit where he said the solution to corvid recovery was giving out free cartridges? 😳

Man, I didn’t intend for my answer to be taken so forensically. Here’s an analogy; If you want a standard 2 litre Ford Focus with 200 bhp you can buy one. You can also choose to buy a standard 1.5 litre Ford Fiesta with 150 bhp. You could spend money to get it mapped, a bigger turbo etc to make 200bhp, so it goes like a 200bhp Focus. However, if you bought the 200bhp Focus you can get that mapped too and put a bigger turbo on it to make 250 bhp. But if you wanted the Fiesta because it’s smaller, lighter and more agile then buy it. If you wanted the Focus because it has a bit more

Yes, of course you can put big loads in a 20 and small loads in a 12 but if you are trying to compare one with the other compare apples with apples, so to speak.

That was my point. A ‘true’ 20g load vs an equivalent ‘true’ 12g load. The only thing the 12 has more of is the no of pellets.

If you compare ‘true’ loads between the the gauges ie say 24gram no 6 in a 20 and 28 gram no 6 in a 12 of the same type of cartridge, it’s only the number of pellets that is different, not the ‘power’ so range is the same, speed is the same. For example, if you only need 5 shot pellets to kill a pigeon then the 20g throws say 200 vs say 250 in a 12g. All shot bar the 5 that hit it end up on the floor. Of course you can up your lead load in a 20g but not sure why you’d want to. Those numbers are just for illustration. IMHO if you put your shot in the right place any gauge will kill so if

Thanks 243deer. I’ve been on their site just now. Loads of info and some much easier to follow suggested loads. Thanks

Thanks, I was hoping to get a steer on loading data. The little I’ve seen seems a nightmare. I plan to reuse the Gamebore 70mm Clear Pigeon cases I currently use as I have a few 1000 to get through. Thanks Dunks. I bought the Lee Loadall from 1967 Spud Reloading Supplies in Norfolk - Only £65.

Hi, so I’ve ordered a Lee Loadall 2 and want to embark on some basic 12g re-loading to get the hang of it. I'm thinking 12g 70mm 30/32 g lead in 5 and 6 shot with fibre wad for Pigeon and Corvid decoying, flighting and roosting. Then I want to move onto steel. What kit do I need to buy before I start and does anyone have any recipes. I know I’m not going to save any money on these kinds or loads but I just want to get familiar with how it all works. thanks

I have two 12v 12ah motorcycle batteries that I alternate trickle charging. Works well for 4 or so hrs each on a magnet or all day on an ff6 flapper.

I think Geoff gets paid handsomely for his opinions 🤔😉

I keep checking the Projekt Grenadier website but the info is very scant. Not sure why it’s all so secretive.

Thanks for the technical input chaps. For me, whatever you’re shooting, lead or steel, small shot or large, fast or faster, if you are having to consider physics to establish whether your boundary is safe, it isn’t.

What do you estimate your loaded cartridge is costing you? I’d love to load my own but the cost of components seems prohibitive.