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  1. Didn't spot that but there again, I'm a bit colour blind so anything with red in is difficult and I need to be very close. Of course you are right, there is no certainty with pigeons, they always bend the rules - like coming in downwind when I've set things up for the "normal" unwind approach. They drive me mad! Once, I spent all day trying to decoy a large flock on rape, they knew I was there and avoided me like I had Covid-19 and kept 75 yards away. Different locations, different hides, different kit, they just laughed at me. Then, at end of day, they are heading back to roost, so stuffed with rape you could see the bulging crop before you saw the body. I threw out some shells and they decoyed as if they were starving!! Gun got hot, then the keeper turned up to see what the noise was and we stood in the open, shooting at the suicidal birds for 15 minutes until it was all over, with about 30 or 40 down. makes no sense!!
  2. Recently I posted an inquiry about the effects of pre-emergence spray, incidentally most replies felt it would have no effect. Most had little hard evidence - only aga man's video showed good shooting after spraying but I would question if the later pigeon arrivals actually knew the field had been sprayed, they had been feeding there for days and expected to go there. If left alone to taste it that day, would they have returned the next day? They have to know these things, once, when my normally pigeon-full roost shooting wood was destroyed by a gas gun, the farmer said I could turn it off but 4 weeks of gas gun had sent them far away and none turned up. (they didn't know the gun was silenced!) Anyway, I digress.. A local field (checked out via push bike) which pigeons usually love had peas drilled this week. The sudden change from Somme-style mud to concrete has meant they did not go in well and peas are all over the place. However, they are pink with some sort of seed dressing and as yet there are no pigeons. Will they like it when they find it? I recently (before the lockdown), shot a bird whose crop was full of peas. The peas were not pink, just looked as if they had come off a stubble field. Had the crop taken the colour off? Were they undressed? Any comments to ease the boredom of lockdown appreciated. By the way, Dad's post of today, in which a plea from the farmer is answered, hits the spot for me, protecting the country's food supply is essential.
  3. Well done that man for having the courage to answer a call for help, instead of folding up like a wet paper bag, as many are. The more we roll over and play dead on the instructions of the Urban Majority, the sooner all will be lost. Like BASC etc calling for a ban on lead, based on little or no hard evidence that lead, away from wetlands, does any harm. There is ZERO risk to self or others from driving to your own hide. The story that you may get hurt and overwhelm the NHS is totally fatuous when we are allowed to cycle all over the place, no risk there.... Still, we get Green Credentials and Greta the Great is happy. Rant over!!
  4. Fully agree, getting my once a day exercise, sit in a ditch for a rest, shoot a few pigeons to protect the food supply of the nation and feed myself, thereby not having to go to the shops - win win win
  5. Actually, you are quite right, I had included some that were shot over mashed maize AND rounded up by 7. Truly sorry for the mistake, hardly warrants your attack. Why are you so keen to attack my theory/question about the spray, which might be completely wrong ? Do you sell it? Surely, if it pigeon-proofed the field that would be a sales point! Discuss, don't attack! Lighten up!!
  6. Thanks for this JD. Please see a reply to my update on the spray question, before I quit Pigeon Forum... And yes, they do seem very good at finding beans, considering they can't/don't scratch for them. Cheers and thanks for the entertainment over the years.....
  7. Oh Heck, I'm in trouble!! I wasn't the only one shooting the beans, we all had good bags. I'm only asking about the spray, there are still no birds on the new beans, I just DO'NT know. SO SORRY if I got it wrong. If the point of this forum is to slag people off, then I'll stop posting, only trying to entertain in these troubled times.
  8. Well done team! My question, had the drilled beans had this pre-emergence spray? I don't see any wheel marks.... The drill leaves no tracks so new tramlines on top means spray.
  9. 500 acres of newly drilled beans (not too well drilled) on a farm the pigeons usually love, sprayed the same day as explained in earlier posting - about 50 pigeons in total yesterday and 20 today. No new local drillings to pull them away. Spoke to my farmer pal Matt, with whom I had shot about 350 over 3 fields of drilled beans a few weeks ago. These fields had not been sprayed because it was too wet and the pigeons loved it. Now tell me it doesn't make a difference!!!
  10. I said nasty because last year a farmer suspended my permission for a few days because his contractor was going to be using it and "nasty" was his phrase. I know nothing! The pigeons (which were all over the fields) never came back either....
  11. I have a farm perm that is going to put in 1000 acres of beans and peas! He started on the beans yesterday, with half the farm machinery in Essex going full blast. Today, just as the pigeons are starting to find it, he and his gang are spraying that nasty yellow pre-emergence spray for black grass. I have in the past seen large flocks of pigeons disappear, never to return, from fields they were flooding onto, just as this spray goes on. Any experience anyone?
  12. In his defence, we are told that birds rely on ultra-violet more than we do and blue is more visible under UV, as is white, hence the importance of neck rings and wing bars. (Remember looking at girl's underwear under UV at discos in the 70's??)
  13. Thanks for the support Jim! I've been thinking (a mistake I know) and put these missed shots down to pellet density. At 45 yds a typical pattern for half choke is said to be about a 50-inch circle. That is nearly 2000 squ inches. If the back view of a pigeon is a 4 inch circle (and that's generous!) that's about 12.5 squ inches. So the pigeon only catches about one 160th of the load ie about 1 pellet, less any that hit the odd branch en route. At that range I use No 4 shot (a few less pellets but 36gm) so that any that do hit the target do maximum damage. However, it seems to be a bit of a lottery, so should we do it? Pest control, I say "Yes" but are shots at "70 yard" pheasants really "sporting" or just a game of chance??? OK, you can use full choke but at 70 yds the typical pattern for full choke is said to be a 70-inch circle or 3800 squ inches!! Admittedly a pheasant is much larger than a pigeon but the proportions remain about the same, especially if it's going away. BASC advise 4-5 pellets in a bird to almost ensure a clean kill. It bears thinking about?? To get 5 pellets into the target at 70 yds (if you started with 160 pellets, 1 1/4 oz No 4,) the bird would need to be about 120 squ inches, ie about a 1-foot circle. A dinner plate is 10 inches and could expect 3 1/4 pellets on average. If the kill zone of a pheasant is 9in x 5 in (generous) he could expect just under 2 pellets. Now, all these shooting organisations say we should give up lead shot........... Sorry, my mind was wandering into new subjects! All the rangy birds I shot Saturday had only 1 or 2 pellets in them, so they were the lucky ones for me (good eating) but I probably didn't miss the other dozen, just pricked them??!! (only joking, I hope) The crops contained wheat, maize, rape and an assortment of berries and stuff I couldn't identify. No beans at all, which was 100% last week. The chap sharing my wood Saturday was using 30gm No 6 shot and managed to wound (it seems I can't say p***k) one bird enough for his dog to chase across the field.
  14. Adzyvilla has beaten me to it again, I went down the pub instead of to the keyboard! Still, I hope it's worth writing/reading: My scouting showed that the drilled beans fields had dried up, not 1 bird there compared to the 1000's last week, so I was not optimistic. Arriving at the wood at 2.00pm again, the departure of 2 birds instead of 500 confirmed my fears. The wood I can shoot is 21 acres of huge trees. Although it's a good roosting wood, the chance of birds coming to land where you can reach them is slim, so unless there are loads about (like last week) you are in trouble. I have noticed that large groups of birds tend to circle before plumping into the middle of the wood, whilst small groups of 1-5 tend to go straight in, especially later in the evening. Of course, nothing attracts pigeons like a group of pigeons. My normal plan is to wait until a group land in the middle of the wood , then work round to be downwind of them and intercept the next lot going to join them. I don't usually try to stalk birds as it's usually non-productive and frustrating but as I'm early and I expect few birds, it's the only game in town. So, I sneak about a bit until I see a single bird 150 yds away, up wind so his back is to me. I flit from tree to tree, Indian style. (Sorry can't say that, not PC). I flit from tree to tree, First Nations style, getting into a clump of laurel bushes/trees until I'm only about 45 yds away from my intended victim. A 36gm, #4 Black Gold goes into the 1/2 choke barrel, bead on the bird, bang, he flies away seemingly untouched! DAMM, you know it doesn't often work!, especially shooting from behind them but otherwise they see you. So I go back to my window of last week and wait. A long pause...…. At last a good group show up but from the wrong direction and catch me out but circle round and land in the middle but not far away. I wait for more to join them. A long pause...… I get frustrated and resort to plan B, First Nation style to 45-50 yds, 36gm #4, bang, stone dead bird!! No blank tonight!! Back to the window, A long pause..... At last another group show up but from the wrong direction again, not in my "wheelhouse" but I shoot at one anyway, no result. At least I know where they are coming from so move to a new window, where a gap in the trees offers a temping way in for small groups to land straight in, when coming from today's approach direction. I pretend to be a bramble bush. A long pause...…A long pause...…A long pause...…A long pause...… After these 4 pauses I am rewarded by a sight of 4 paws as a badger pops out of a sett about 10 yds away and trundles off!! Makes my day!! My luck has changed! Soon after badger sighting, lone bird (Nobby No-mates) dives straight into the top of a larch tree. I see him at the last second and nail him as his landing gear comes out. He doesn't drop but is lodged in the top of the tree. Initially I'm cursing but soon a reasonable number of Nobbys are drifting into my window. I'm sure Dead Nobby was pulling them. I reckon 50% of the (few) birds coming to the 21-acre wood come near my window.They are still not simple but I'm back in the game. Finish with a dozen, including 2 (yes 2!) lodged in trees. A good end to 2020 roosting, the last Saturday Feb 29th I'll be shooting as the next one isn't for 28 years....
  15. Just taken the beans out of one of my roosting victims who didn't burst on impact. It was a randomly selected bird as I had sold most of them already. It wasn't as packed as I have seen but it contained over 2oz of beans. Now if 1000 birds were filling up each day on the 2 large fields near me, (and I'm sure there were at least that many) that's about 125lbs/day or 875lbs/week or a ton in every 18 days. I know they get cleaned up before that but it's a lot of beans going AWOL! It's our duty to shoot them!
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