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On 14/07/2022 at 05:42, Nuke said:
Thats abuse, not training in my book.
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How would you train this yourself?
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On 19/03/2022 at 20:20, Ultrastu said:
Don't dock ... personally I feel it devalues the dog ..
Pigeon watch at its finest….there’s always one 🤣🤣🤣
13 hours ago, Ultrastu said:Your saying my preferences (which are the same as all the other people I know who have dogs ) is wrong when I'm looking to buy a new dog .
Your nuts.
I work my spaniel and absolutely won't consider a docked dog .but I'm wrong ?
Can you explain the advantages on an undocked tail for working spaniels? I’m intrigued
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Gun still for sale, ShotKam sold!
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Wanted: rabbit shooting permission for field trial standard spaniels. Looking for permission to shoot rabbits from white grass, marsh reeds and rushes. Safe, respectable and polite. Fair prices paid
any areas considered (Kent marshes, Yorkshire dales, Pennines)
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Based in Chatham, Kent. Can RFD at cost, believe it to be £50
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For sale is my 30’’ multi choke Beretta 682 Gold E
Complete with original case, chokes and even cardboard box. Featuring a R/H sporting stock and beaver tail fore end, the gun is unmolested and in nice condition. Well loved and looked after, serviced at the end of last season by Gordon Swatton of GMK, with all the replaced parts included in the case.
Space in cabinet and a change of requirements forces sale.
The one downside is a mark on the barrels as pictured where a ShotKam was briefly fitted. The offending article can also be for sale if desired.
chokes are as follows - cylinder, skeet, quarter, 2x half and 2 x 3/4 and 2 x Teague 7/8.£1200 Ono can RFD at cost
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On 03/05/2021 at 15:49, Lloyd90 said:
I am currently reading up on Givendale dogs just for enjoyment, he has some videos on YouTube now.You can watch his dog hunting.
Just my opinion but they don’t seem to be any faster or any better hunters than any of the modern FT stuff that I have seen, or have any magical stamina apart from good conditioning they I reckon could be put into most dogs.
Im not sure they’re that big, just well coloured.
I believe some of Jeremy Organ (Edgegrove) dogs go back to Badgercourt lines and he is known for liking a good sized dog.
I have a field trial bred dog (Ted) that looks taller. Edwardiana/Killhoppmoss x Barcudwen Lines.
If anyone wants a good sized stud then I’ve put Ted to health tested and he is clear of all genetic conditions. I am looking for a bitch to put him to now to see what he throws.
As you can see from the picture, he has no problem putting birds in the bag.
Think I will buy a go pro to video out trips this year
There won’t be many that don’t go back to a badger court Moss or Druid....even if the papers say otherwise!
Moss was an incredible spaniel, possibly one of the most successful ever, despite never winning the championship.
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Have a look at Chris Linney’s method ‘Hampshire spaniel training’ on YouTube, essentially teaches to spit and sit, really sharpens the ‘sit and face me’. Interesting way to keep it fun and teach some new skills...not for every dog though so be careful...
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All in the camera angle. Plenty of practice making small things look bigger! 😂
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Wanted: rabbit shooting permission for field trial standard spaniels. Looking for permission to shoot rabbits from white grass, marsh reeds and rushes. Safe, respectable and polite. Fair prices paid
any areas considered (Kent marshes, Yorkshire dales, Pennines)
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Harkila Sporting Estate GTX 17" leather boots/Wellingtons size 9
Goretex- virbam sole, rear zip Harkila leather boots. Very comfortable and they look very smart.
A few small marks- worn on the peg for a season, will give them a clean up before posting.
£120
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Meindl Dovre Extreme boots UK 9
Excellent condition, worn round the house and in the field once, just a little too tight for me. Since bought another pair.
Anyone who knows boots know these are the ones to have. Gore-tex super comfortable, German quality.
£140
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Buyer never showed up and the urgent requirement to sell was no longer there...
in answer to the various PM’s;
yes, will consider an offer but not a silly one and;
cased with Guerini chokes (1/4, 1/2 and full) it also comes with a pair of Teague chokes
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On 30/12/2019 at 17:47, Rob525 said:
Stunning. Shame it's not a 12 or I'd be very tempted!
Tempt yourself! It is the year of the 20 after all...
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On 31/10/2019 at 20:42, Lloyd90 said:
Not much happening lately, just practicing the stop whistle and getting out after Ted and ensuring he stops exactly where I blew it... and ensuring that **** is firmly parked on the floor, none of this hovering nonsence.
I have no idea how harsh or firm or whatever others are when teaching this, but can only assume I have not been firm enough. To be fair 99% of the time he is stopping bang on, on the spot, so is mostly being given lots of praise and fuss... it's hard to train for it going wrong when he keeps doing what he is supposed to in test conditions
On brighter news, Teds mother ran in a trial today, she was in a 3 dog run off for 1st place but placed 3rd so the run off wasn't as good as her main runs, but still very good. If she had placed 1st she would have been made up to a FTCH... bit of luck for next time perhaps.
You’re now at the stage he’s largely learnt a difference in training and proper shooting. Knock full days driven shooting on the head, he’s over excited. Allow some more time to mature and focus on doing live training days and rough shooting. You’ll have chance to proof the dog in a live, but also controlled shooting environment. Again, don’t be too keen to shoot over him yourself. I’ve not seen one handler yet who can shoot well and watch his dog simultaneously.
one faultless drive and back in the box is better than one faultless drive and three with faults.
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On 25/10/2019 at 22:30, redleg in kale said:
Lloyd no criticism intended, over the last eight /nine months you and ted have come on leaps and bounds in both learning and mistakes, now you have come to a point you have to decide trialing or shooting dog .make no mistake they are both different animals . field trialing you will always be on the very edge that's the way the spaniel is trained ,as they say a failed trialing dog can make a excellent shooting dog but not vice versa , you have put a lot of work into ted upto now go along the trialing lines he is still a young dog if he does not make it youll have a good shooting dog just don't mix them both at this stage in his training.
This is correct. If you plan to actively campaign him in trials, resist the urge to shoot over him yourself. Even with someone watching him, if he takes a step, moves, loses focus can you really trust your partner to read him like you can and correct it? Standing on a peg and trialling are different sports, if you want a utility dog, you’ll need to accept he’s unlikely as a jack of all trades to be a master of trials.
Ted is still very young despite his experience. You enjoy your training and that is clear. My advice: leave him behind this season, trial him next year and if you decide not to continue on the trialling you’ve got a wonderful peg dog, beating dog and picking up dog you can enjoy for the next 10 seasons. If you shoot over him now, you may find yourself in two seasons time wondering had you’d not been so keen to use him, if he’d be a FTW etc?.
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You ask a Labrador
you tell a springer
you negotiate with a cocker
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With a confident bold dog, I prefer to maintain strict discipline. Never have a grey area, steadiness is as important as drive in a shooting environment. Given his age, and a lot of experiences for a young dog, he’s testing his boundaries to see what he can get away with. With a softer dog, I’m happy to go two steps forward one step back, buzz them up in a pen to build confidence, but I can’t say I deliberately let them chase, especially rabbits. If you decide you want to let him loose a bit, I recommend quail or pheasants. You shouldn’t worry about the drive right now, he’s still young it will develop as he gains game sense. Give him a refresher on recall, do some basics again to reinforce it.
And remember, you have to have bad days to have good days!
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If he’s teaching line work for straight out runs and wants the dog to hold its mark, then yes, it makes some sense in an open environment over long outruns. Possible the client has misunderstood, possible the trainer just thinks a cocker should use its eyes to see retrieves, I can’t imagine he’s won much if that’s the case....
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Looking for a sporting stock to fit a beretta 68 series, specifically a 682Gold E.
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9 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:
Because you only have so much time...
When breeding I knew several lads who trial that will keep 2 or even 3 pups out of the litter, the ones they like the best with the most style etc. They will keep them up until around 6 months of age when they can start doing a bit of proper training and then filter down, such as reducing 3 down to 2, then eventually 2 down to 1... or maybe keeping at 2, depends on them as an individual.
Some lads will keep all of their pups... no point talking about them though because the OP wants to find someone who is selling one 😂
I'm not sure you understood my point about having fingers burned maybe? There have been a few people lately posting about how they bought "trained" dogs, only for them to have serious faults, one lad had a dog shown to him could do it all on dummy's... he paid a nice sum for it, only for the dog to be terrified of gunshots.
I never said a dog trained to FT standards would be a worry? ... my pup is from strong FT lines and hes very chilled out and an absolute dream to train. My last pup didn't have any FT lines for the newest 3 generations and she was absolutely mental!!
To me a dog trained to FT is a well trained dog that would be a pleasure to shoot over ... a lot of dogs you see on shoots these days just about come back when called, and half the time they only do it when there isn't something better to do!
I see your point Lloyd, maybe I didn’t make mine very well and I agree there are things to look out for when being demo’d any part trained dog.
Speaking from experience; I’ve taken on part trained dogs and had a similar experience regarding gun shyness. I know this dog was never shy before, but a change of circumstances, new handler and a change of style put too much pressure on her too soon. After plenty of careful exposure she’s a pleasure to shoot over now and I decided to keep her myself.
Equally, I do a fair bit of training with the FT boys, I’ve also experienced the situation whereby I’ve taken on dogs at 6-9 months that don’t appear to be showing the same style as their siblings only to discover that a different handler and more one on one work has brought more out of them than thought possible. The point being, some mature later and benefit from a change of scenery.
To the OP, before purchasing any part trained dog, most reputable trainers will allow you a few days with the dog to see if it works out for handler and canine. There are a number of trainers out there specifically working to meet the requirements you have, labs and spaniels brought on to a decent level for folks that don’t have time to train their own from pups. Expect to pay a minimum of £1500 for a young part trained lab (my part trained is handles well onto blinds, shot over and steady to sit and has picked warm game) for fully trained you’d add runners and complex retrieves to that- expect to pay £2,000+ for fully trained and with proper experience.
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1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:
Be very careful several people had their fingers burned, lad posting about this just the other day on a gundog group on FB.
There are some field trial lads who breed and keep several dogs back to run on, selling off as they go along so they end up with the best of the lot.
What exactly are you after? And also what’s wrong with the dog you already have?
You need to consider whether you can train the dog you already have, and if you can’t, is the new dog going to end up useless as well for the same reasons?
Most field trial lads will keep many dogs and sell those that don’t make the grade or are retiring. That’s the name of the game, why would they sell something they feel can be successful?
A dog trained to FT standard is nothing to be worried about for 99% of shooters.
Exhausted with training.
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You absolutely should not be shooting birds for him if you want this to get better.
Like it or not, you’re turning the excitement up to 11 and expecting him to behave when at the moment he cannot repeatedly perform the task as you wish in different training settings.
Back to basic work where he gets it right until he can’t get it wrong, then onto the next setting.
Alternatively, you might just have hit the experience wall and a few weeks away might be just the ticket