Wow! Thanks for the response people, I really appreciate your advice. Looks like there are plenty of shoots to try and now can't wait to get back into it!. Will definitely give fair clays a visit and maybe if I can get my eye in again give the PW summer flush a go (providing I can get the day off work!) thanks again and hope to meet some,if not all of you in the near future. Cheers, Mick.