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  1. End of the day, they still need controlling by those that know what they are doing and not just for 'grouse shooting' but for the healthy population of the hares. Should their numbers not still be reduced to reduce incidents of group deaths through disease and parasites? Its a concept many people can't deal with that for the many to survive, some have to be removed. I have been on one of these organised shoots and until they are put in front of you , I don't think you would believe the numbers there are. This ban has been voted on by those who cannot have had enough time to view all of the scientific evidence on hare populations and the overall effect of their localised higher densities on managed moors. They voted emotively on a last minute amendment and I'm not surprised it went through. I didn't even know anything could be amended at stage 3. Very poor. I don't think it matters either way whether we showed restraint as a group or not. If we didn't shoot one hare the antis would still claim they are being shot and the papers would run a story on it. Its the reason why we get the blame every time a bird of prey goes missing or loses their tracker. Any chance to drag us through the mud will be taken, truth or no truth to promote their agenda / make money off of good willed people, and they get away with it.
  2. My brother, father, a guest and myself had a days walked up shooting as repayment for 4 days of cutting rides for a shoot. I was shooting well that day. Nearly everything was falling down that I shot at and managed 3 snipe, the only 3 I shot at which was even more remarkable. I even managed a mallard drake that was far enough away that others who were closer passed up on the shot. Dogs were good. Nothing could go wrong. We finished early so decided to go in past an area with a couple of duck ponds on the way home to finish. They are day ponds more than a night flight ponds so my brother and I went round the back of each pond and positioned my father and the guest out of sight while we went in to flush. My brother managed a teal from his pond and one single mallard got up off of mine, which the guest shot. Great. I met back up with my father and the guest and were chatting for a bit when a crow flew over at a height that I would have normally called safe. I assume the crow thought he was safe as well considering he never even flinched off his flightline with us wandering about below. One of those ones. I said to my father, who is the kind of shot that you may often say 'oh my god I cant believe you hit that' to, that he should give it a go. He just laughed at me. Sod it, up went the gun and to be fair, I only managed to kill it with the second barrel but the wings folded and what a time it took to hit the ground! 30 seconds later a pair of teal swung past over head and I took the lead bird which was about 35 yards up on a strong wind. Nearly couldn't fit back in the car my head was so big! One of those on fire days, on fire moments and all with the family to witness it. Will remember my dads laugh for as long as I can as that's the laugh we usually give him just before he successfully 'gives it a go'. I won't write about the other days where I was not on fire.
  3. The acme caller takes a good bit of practise but you can get a decent growly crow call out of it. Feels like you need to huff into it from as deep down in your diaphragm as you can to get the sound. The primos is far easier and louder to use though. They take some practise and a lot of the time its the limited use of them that works but you'll get the gist.
  4. This guy in the video operates out of Aberdeenshire where there are loads of goose guides and loads of geese. We get tens of thousands of pinkfooted geese up where we are between the loch of Strathbeg, Dunecht and the Montrose basin. He is a bit different to other guides in that he seems to operate a 'harvest package' where you can shoot, clean and process your own animals with him which I think is pretty good, especially for newcomers. When they land on the stubble its not so much of an issue but when you have a couple of thousand of them land on a grass field, or winter sowing, eating, defecating on and flattening the grass that you are wanting to keep for your sheep or successful crop, they get to be a nuisance. Many farmers welcome the guides and the cash they bring, some loathe them. One farmer said to me he just wishes they never landed on his fields at all because of the amount of call-ins he gets from guides. Yes the guides are there to make a profit. More guns, more money. Some say they impose a limit per gun per flight but if you have guys out shooting for a week and they have a couple of slow flights, they are going to get their moneys worth some way or another. Some are OK, some are devious individuals and they are always competing for the others ground. Honestly this is a part of the shooting industry that has its role but leaves a sour taste, especially if they have no interest in taking them home. We still can't sell the geese on the mainland. These are the same guys that guide on the pigeons and profess to do the deer management but really shoot the trophy bucks with clients for the profit. This is my experience anyway having had a few of them come on to 'share' ground I have access to. Believe me, they are not that easy to decoy up here when they have been shot at all over the countryside for 4 months. These guides are putting out over 100 decoys sometimes which certainly improves your chances. If you are using the birds I don't see an issue with taking a number of them.
  5. Have never used them for dog insurance as found them more expensive than rivals but I have used their vehicle discount and discount on a couple of other things and it couldn't have been easier. Literally told the garage I had BASC insurance and they just asked for the membership number. Sorted and saved me (my company rather) over £4,000. Have just seen that the deal I got on my motor 6 months ago is even better for the new model this year. Not getting choked up about it though (much).
  6. Yeah can happen if a single pellet through the organs or such like. Seen it plenty of times on game. One partridge I was sure I hit I watched fly with beating wings for a full 400 or 500 yds at about 60 ft above a flat field before just folding up and dropping. I picked it later on and had to have a look to where I had hit it. Single pellet had gone in and hit the top of the heart. Wouldn't have believed it unless I had looked. Also in front of my brother, hit a decent high pigeon that doubled back on itself and flew around the field we were in in a huge circle before coming backand dropping out of the sky 20 yds from us. Really obliging! More you shoot the more you will see it but I have learned to keep watching the bird I know I have hit until I cant see them any more. A lot of the time they will drop.
  7. The summer is worse for us with fog sometimes delaying choppers for days. As long as the wind isn’t hurricane force we are normally ok. Home Xmas and new year though so not bad. Thanks again and will see if my fettling is up to task!
  8. On a shoot we had, there was a ditch that the birds used to like with a decent amount of cover but there were always a decent few more in a wooded area that was poor to drive the way you would want to, the opposite way to the ditch which was very near our boundary. What we did was to include the pushing of the wood through to the ditch as a drive but have the guns positioned away from where we wanted the birds to go to like up the opposite side of the wood. That way the guns acted as our stops and still got a couple of shots from the birds that broke the wrong way and the rest of the birds were allowed to leak, run, fly out to the ditch at the other end. We then returned the ditch as the next drive. Worked well most of the time, when there were birds there!
  9. Thanks for the efforts JJsDad. Ordered one from John knibbs on Wednesday and it came on Thursday. Can’t ask Mitch better than that. Just have to check it does indeed fit when I get home. thanks again.
  10. Thanks for the further info. Tried calling Neil at Andersons (Seals cove) but got an 'off the hook' ringtone. I know they are open some funny times though. Will try the others and £12.50 is a lot less than the £30 I saw some dodgy looking ones priced at on another site. Thanks
  11. Thank you very much! Did not know he was a RUAG dealer. Certainly wasn't when I bought this gun several years ago. Will give him a call in the morning. Cant get on their website either BTW with the filters. Surprised I can get on this forum at all! Thanks again
  12. I see. As it is a public thread, could we use AB10 7QA - one of the ASDAs in Aberdeen! Thanks for taking the time to look.
  13. All, Have a situation where I was getting several misfires on the lower barrel of my Bettinsoli so had a look at the firing pin and it is looking a little tired on the front face. I have contacted RUAG who have them in stock but only deal with trade customers. They did however send me a link to some of their dealers. Now that's all fine but I am currently offshore and cannot access the RUAG website to open the link due to company filters ( http://www.ruag.co.uk/dealer-locator ) . Firstly, is anyone available out there to access the link and point me in the direction of one of these dealers and send me an email address / phone number. (I am based in Aberdeen) Secondly, does anyone on here actually have a new Bettinsoli firing pin I may be able to buy off of them? I can fit the pin so just need the part and not looking to mend / lathe anything else to fit. Not home for 2 weeks so would like to get this thing at least home before I get back to fit it before a few shoots in December. Thanks
  14. If anything the recoil should be less as it is a heavier gun. Though the trend these days seems to be putting 32g cartridges through 20 bores so not sure if it makes much a difference (will try not to get into a high bird debate )
  15. I for one don't get the chance to shoot at many 60 - 80 yard birds and if one flew past me I would 100% have a go at it but, having been on many game shoots where birds are average heights and seen the amount of birds that do get pricked, only to sail on somewhere else, I would say none of us are really more ethical than the others here. Running on percentages, far more people have access to the average shoots than the high bird shoots and so I would assume more birds will get pricked on the average shoots. Yes we have pickers up and should make best endeavours to gather up anything wounded but the practicality of first recognising a pricked bird (which seems difficult for many guns), then marking it (taking your eye of the rest of the drive to watch its point of fall, if it does fall within view), then getting a dog on it (normally when the drive is done and no one is going half a mile down a valley to pick a 'maybe pricked' bird), doing this for every pricked bird you think you have shot etc, etc, is something I will bet that the majority of guns do not do on any given shoot day, whether its an average or extreme shoot. Then the pickers up are to an extent time limited because the show must go on and there is another drive to be done where it all starts again. We are all in the same boat here to anti-shooters, the argument will always be the same to them and is that we shoot game for fun. We cannot get away from that if we enjoy it and if you don't, why do it? As has been said above, the shooting world is very fragmented already without dividing game shooting with a yard stick. There are plenty of shooters I know that are really rubbish unless the bird is within 25 yards and that's on a calm day. An extreme bird to them is 40 yards. Are they to be chastised for shooting at those birds? Its all relative. If you have the ability to bring them down consistently then crack on. The ethics are the same. I haven't read all of the comments on the previous thread as there are many, but have any of the naysayers to extreme shooting actually witnessed first hand one of these shoots to give a first hand account of bad practice, 'hundreds' of pricked birds, anything performed less morally / ethically than an average bird shoot?
  16. Its just greed I thought. Bragging about 12 or 14 birds shot on a drive that you could have hit with a lengthy stick wouldn't hold any water with guys I shoot with. I would have had a word with him if sharing a day next to that man. Fair enough if the birds were decent, and some were ok but most of what he shot cant have been more than 20 yards away, all be it safe. Call it camera angle, zoom or whatever but those of us that have done a shoot or two know what's low and loads of those shot birds were low. Having watched a pile of these videos recently it isn't an uncommon observation. Yes bottom line is we kill things, and I'm sure he did a great job of that, but I would also like to eat it at the end of the day. Having it ready plucked and minced for the soup pot before its hit the ground isn't what I call good food, let alone sportsmanship.
  17. We would normally get them in at 7 - 8 weeks old come end July/ start August and be shooting them the first week in November. That’s about 20 to 22 weeks as a guide but it really depends on your birds. We have had pens where the birds grow quick and tail up well, ultimately being suitable earlier. In the same year we have also seen another pen full of pheasants that didn’t want to leave the floor, had tailed up poorly and all out weren’t able to be called ‘sporting’. They were at least 2 weeks behind the rest. Don’t be scared to leave them an extra week if they just don’t look good enough. Won’t do you any favours trying to drive out daisy cutters to a team of standing guns. Our syndicate has always been flexible with dates in that respect so hopefully your guys won’t feel hard done by if that happens.
  18. I believe Fyvie used to do it. Not sure if they still do. Was beating there last week and did come across a very old high ladder to an elevated platform too high for the normal high seat. Assumed it was for that but was properly knackered! Maybe worth calling the estate to enquire if keen. I remember shooting with one of the old keepers from there who fell out of one and broke his back. Hardy guy though and recovered fairly quick. If you do go make sure you don't take the quick way down like he did!
  19. Hi all Not made many posts on here as i frequent another site mostly but thought this would be the best place to put this. A member on the stalking directory is looking for a number of pigeons for a charity dinner he is holding on 30th and 31st december. The cause is a charity called http://marysmeals.org/ The guy is based in edinburgh If u feel u could help out u can contact me through here with ur email.address and i can forward it to him or alternatively his post is here if u are a member of the other forum. http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php/94602-Pigeons-Wanted-for-Charity-Dinner-in-Edinburgh?p=888633#post888633 Thanks Chris
  20. Yeah looks great until the dog decides to burst through the hide or the gun gets stuck in the netting as you are mounting. Then it ends up where I put it in the first place......in the dubs at my feet.
  21. I don't know if you have ever used one or like them but a side by side is usually about a pound lighter than the O/U's. As Scully said, the Beretta Ultralight is a very light gun. I couldn't believe the weight difference in comparison to my Bettinsoli O/U.
  22. Was out on a small farm a couple of years ago which can only be described as the roughest most useless ground anyone would wish to have. All of the area is left to the cattle except for the electric fence surrounding the farm buildings. During that summer the farmer had electric fenced off a section which was mostly surrounded by wall with a small opening leading to a dirt road which ran the length of the ground. The electric fence stopped about 80 yards up the road. In the pen was the bull, a cow and a calf which I was told to be weary of as she is protective of the new born. 'No bother' says I as I proceed to skulk my way behind the wall so she won't see me and make my way on to the track. I checked the line of sight was broken by the wall and off I went on my merry way. I got about 20 yards up the path before the ground started shaking and a noise of thunder started beating at my back. I looked at the dog briefly, just catching it made a quick jump for a wall as I turned to see the smoke snorting beast at full tilt heading right at me. I turned back to see what might be my only relief which was a 4ft tree stump about 2 steps away. As I made for this sanctuary (praying it wasn't rotten through!) I slipped as the cattle trodden mud gave way under me and I landed on the floor with open gun in tow. The gun would have closed was it not for the webby bit between my thumb and fore finger getting trapped between the barrels and the reciever as all my weight landed on it. Didn't get a chance to feel the pain as I jumped up to turn and face what now looked like 4 tons of impending beef and slobbers about 6ft away and still going like a train . I don't know why but that monster decided to slam the brakes on at just about the same time I thought about lightening my own personal load and skidded to a halt within touching distance. It about turned and went back from where it came from. I got the gun and legged it over the nearest fence. The dog just looked at me in that way that they do when you have done something stupid and I'm sure they know you did. Wasn't until later that I realised I had dropped the lead from around my neck as I was flailing about on the floor and went to the farmer to see if he could retrieve it. 'No bother' he says as he walks up to the tree stump without a care and picks up the lead. The cow came up to him and I'm pretty sure it licked him before he came back with it and said 'Aye she's a bit fussy that one'. I now have a greater appreciation of electric fences.
  23. I had to go back and find the dog! Will maybe go back again just to be sure.......
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