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  1. 12gauge82

    No Jail for Moderate Crime Convictions

    Good Post. I'm not saying for a second this is what happened, but now imagine watching that video with the knowledge he had say a bomb vest on and was intent on setting it off, the cops actions may have been totally reasonable if there was intelligence to back up his actions (obviously he was jailed so broke the law in this case, but it shows how a change in circumstances not always aparant to bystanders can completley change the perspective of a shooting which is what Rewulf alludes to in part of his post)
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    No Jail for Moderate Crime Convictions

    Again I can't make an accurate judgement, if some of the claims you've made are correct, the judge would need some very good reasons to only give out the sentence he did, but since I haven't heard the officers account and I wasn't at the court to hear both sides of the case, I really don't know, personally I would only have the death sentence for specific crimes and I think a higher standard of proof should apply, something like, "beyond any doubt" or something of that nature.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    Time will tell, but I believe if they don't honour the referendum result those in power will see a political landscape they've never seen before.
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    No Jail for Moderate Crime Convictions

    I don't know enough about the case to comment, the video certainly doesn't look good for the cops use of force, but then I haven't heard his side of the story, since he's been found guilty I can only assume that his actions were disproportionate to the threat and that is why he has been jailed, although it may not be totally clear cut, hence why he's received a comparatively short sentence for wrongfully taking a person's life, but that's just my speculation, I wasn't on the jury that convicted him.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    Maybe true, the thing is, those in the Conservatives trying to block brexit are the self serving, sneaky, selfish members of the party and if they realise that if they damage brexit, they could very well be damaging themselves, they might take a different view, the only problem with that is they're so arrogant that they probably don't think it's a possibility but im sure it will happen in the long run if they continue to blatantly ignore the people's will.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    Exactly, now imagine a party with 17.4 million votes, maybe brexit being blocked will be a good thing, it could be the end of the two horse race.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    I'm not so sure, 17.4 million voting people is a lot of people to annoy, even if it did take many years, people don't forget when they're annoyed enough, I know I won't. Ask most in the mining areas of S Wales or the N East what they think of Thatcher and the Conservatives for instance!
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    If the remaniacs in power are stupid enough to stop brexit it could well be their downfall. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8236819/nigel-farage-new-brexit-party/
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    I completely agree, if democracy never existed in the first place, even the illusion of it is now shattered and our corrupt, self serving politicians have been exposed for controlling the population rather than serving it. That is going to have far reaching consequences going into the future that will make any kind of brexit look like a minor event in comparison and could well end up unsettling traditional politics for years.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    Amen to that 🙏👍
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    I see what you mean, however, I'm not at all surprised, none of these other countries have probably bothered to put the work in to negotiate deals with us as they probably haven't taken seriously that the UK might have a wto exit, if May had got on with it we wouldn't be in this position. Our MPs can't turn to us and say look how bad a "hard" brexit is after they have caused it, whether it's by their own ineptitude or on purpose.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    While we are members of the EU, we are not allowed by their rules to secure trade deals with any other countries, if that's what your referring to?
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    I enjoy moving about so I've lived since the referendum took place South Wales, West coast Scotland, East Coast Scotland, Somerset and Surrey, your of course right, there is also a division in voting between major city's and the rest of the country, but I would again guess that is due to the number of people living in city's that weren't born in the UK or their parents weren't, they probably aren't as nationalist as those whose family's have lived solely in the UK for generations, again, just my guess.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    I disagree, the young voting remain that I know tend to be those who have done nothing other than been in the education system to date, I know many who have been to uni and have since travelled, bought property, got a career ect and most of them I know are leave supporter's, only my personal experience of course.
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    BREXIT - merged threads

    Being a member of the EU meant the country had to follow a number of rules to be a member, when leave won the referendum, it meant we should leave every one of those rules being an EU member entailed, anything less is simply subversion of the referendum result, it couldn't be any simpler.
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