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Oh dear, from the description I fear it will be negative, "Some American parents consider teaching children to shoot a fun family experience , but more than 3000 children are accidentally shot each year. This documentary explores the world of child shooters." The full synopsis The controversial right to bear arms is at the heart of American culture. In the USA there is a huge divide among parents. Some are against the sale of toy guns while others are buying the children the real thing. This documentary sheds light on the world of child shooters, illuminating the fascinating beliefs, ambitions and paranoia that underpin it. Teaching kids to shoot is seen as a fun family experience and yet over 3000 children are injured or killed every year in accidental shootings. This unique and moving film follows the stories of three American families tackling the difficult issues behind the American relationship with firearms and the compelling stories behind the horrifying statistics.

Hi Everyone, Today was the first of many BASC Young Shot Days running throughout the school holidays and what a fantastic event it was for such little outlay, £25!!!! Amazing and clearly worth more than that for a full day of activities, provision of BASC caps and pins etc. It was held at Plumpton college, East Sussex and despite a long drive from home it was well worth it. I would like to thank all of the guys and Justin Clarke for the organisation and execution of the day, it was very informative, educational and engaging. I believe there was approx 40 attendees and all were engaged. I also noted it was nicely split between the sexes and this reflects on the efforts of the BASC towards engaging females to the sport. There was Clay Shooting (Great to actually meet jimmyb79, who was coaching at the event), Archery, Air rifle shooting and learning aspects of Game keeping. My son Jaydon loved the event and it will prepare him for the progression day at Honnington Farm, Kent on 8th August where the young shots will participate in a simulated game shoot! The coaching staff and Justin arranged for my youngest boy to clay shoot after the event as he changed his mind on attending this morning as he has developed a fear of shooting after being coached with a semi auto with 28g cart, following 2 months of weekly tuition with a .410 O/U. It was a mistake made by someone that I have been unsuccessful in overcoming for several months. Ten minutes with these guys on his own and he was comfortably shooting again. The smile on his face at the end spoke a thousand words. Many thanks to BASC, Justin, Colin and James, who with understanding and patience, have quashed his fear to shoot and after receiving encouragement and reassurance from you all he has now stated that he would like to take it up again! What an amazing achievement and a clear demonstration of how a organisation, with professional staff can and do manage to engage and develop the younger generation. I am so glad that my children were able to attend and if any other parent is considering their child's participation on such an event, I would thoroughly recommend it! Well done BASC! (I have no interest to declare towards BASC other than membership) www.whybrow.me

I am phoning on Monday and booking my 2 boys, Terry www.whybrow.me

There are some very good gunsmiths that can help with gun fit, comb raisers, cast adjustment are very common and I learnt the hard way (missing many before gun fit and practice plate) its worth paying to go on practice plate with what you have to see where you are actually shooting. You may only need a quick fix. I paid £45 for practise plate, gun fit and 100 clays under gunsmith session. I am in Kent and can forward details to anyone who needs it.

I purchased a lovely Browning Citori 12g OU on here for £700 a couple of months back. 6 years old. To all intents and purposes its a B525 Grade 2/3. Its a good buy and proof that there are bargains to be had on PW!

Thanks Stotto, As always the good lady wife is right. I need to just let it go. It is frustrating though but you are right I can forewarn others in future years. I have just applied for my EFP for a trip to MSZU in Stuttgarte and would prefer not to have a delay because I am making life difficult for myself in complaining etc.

The certificate has arrived after many problems. First off, the school gave me a character reference after I was advised by BASC and CPSA that no contact should be made to school because employers are not contacted so why schools. Therefore it was my belief that I had eradicated any need for approach and when I forwarded the character reference from the headmistress I stated that their was no need to approach the school and that I was fearful of any anti gun opinions affecting me sons standing in the school. My son then had the interview and the reference was on file. The FEO was happy with my son and stated that he was knowledgeable on gun safety, far more than many adults (I daresay including me!) We then played the waiting game (as far as I was aware)unil the headmistress was approached for a reference. Sge stated she had furnished me with one and I called licensing dept and informed them not to approach school. One week later FEO telephones school, headmistress informz me that she has neither the time not inclination to complete another reference and that nothing would change between the reference given to me and any the licensing dept would request. I call the BASC, who in turn call the firearms licensing manager and point out that this is not law and that no further approach should be made to the school. That the interview according to my knowledge was approved and why is contact being made. I was ingormed that the licensing manager would recall the file and base any decision upon the character reference supplied. BASC stated that there was nothing within the content of reference that would cause doubt or suspicion and that it is in fact a wonderful reference. I assured the headmistress that no further approach would be made. She was of the opinion that the FEO wanted her to make the decision of whether my son should be granted an SGC and she said that she was their to educate him and not provide any opinion outside of her duties and she was not prepared to give her opinion. Then a week later a further approach was made! I contacted the licensing dept and they again stated that they would tell the FEO not to pursue a reference and return the file for them to view and decide. I then received the SGC with a covering letter that states that they did not mean to undermine the reference supplied by me from the school (on headed paper) and that the FEO had made contact after the headmistress stated that she felt that no child of 10 should have any access to firearms and he had made contact to take the time to explain to her legislation and restrictions placed upon young people. It also states that this contact was not intended to undermine your submission. My feelings are that a party is blatantly lying to me and I dont know the best way to approach the matter. Do I listen to my wife who says our son has the cert so dont worry about it, therefore spend the energy into more shooting or do I make a fuss about this? If I do and the licensing dept are misleading me then I could make my future years difficult with FEO and team etc.

Thanks for the info guys.

I have made an application for my young sons SGC in Kent. He is 11 in Sept. He is a member of both the BASC and CPSA. He currently has 2 x weekly lessons and is improving. Saturday he missed 8 of 25 (in poor weather) and 5/7 rabbits. I think the tuition is really paying off. I have applied for him to attend Young shot days during school holidays and his regular club sessions which will increase in frequency during the school holidays. I (the SGC holder) cannot get him to every meet and venue and have applied for his SGC so that a responsible adult over 21, can supervise and transport both him and gun to venue. He has covered gun safety at his local shoot and both coaches have told me that he is mature, follows instruction and is a sensible and methodical lad. I did look at getting mum an SGC but my wife works shifts therefore it will be a mixture of mum, grandad and elder sister or her fiancee when I cant. All responsible and over 21 criteria met. My question is: Am I right in thinking that despite having an SGC he will not own a gun therefore "his" 20g will remain on my licence? How would that work with regards to shared gun/cabinet etc? In that case, will I need a seperate cabinet that will house the 20g that he will have access to under adult supervision for getting out of cabinet, securing in slip and travelling to venues? Then if he is supervised, someone would see where his keys are kept and therefore unlawful posession of a firearm with regards to the adult? I cant let my wife know cabinet key location to unlock or prepare shot gun for travelling as it will be unlawful possession of a firearm. I have submitted forms and have had a teacher sign the reference form. I have been told that Kent firearms team will write to school for reference but I think they have an anti shooting/hunting stance. I have requested a character reference and not personal opinion from them. They have said they will wait for a request from FEO. I am unsure whether my son will receive one as I have been led to believe the county may be reluctant to issue due to age? Apparently onlyba couple have been issued previously to children of that age. I may be over thinking this but I need to be clear on the best way forward for how he will have access and transport before we have a visit in the near future. Any advice gratefully appreciated!

I purchased this gun yesterday from Dave and feel that I purchased a lot of gun for the money. Many people were trying to lowball him and their really was no point. My local shop had a Citori 1986 model for £995 (on commission) and I had seen many on gun trader from £895 S/H. I did research this gun and its is a Citori Special Sporter. It was struck on 24th May 2006. Grade 2/3 oil finish (beautiful wood) and has clearly been loved and cherished over the last 8 years. As for the purchase, I had a long drive to Doncaster but Dave and his wife were very welcoming and hospitable. It was great to meet them both. I would recommend him as a seller and I will take them up on their invitation some point in the near future to go up and shoot with them at their local club. I like dealing with genuine people and I am sure that they would never knowingly sell anything that is short of their description. I am so pleased that I managed to carry out this smooth transaction and add two more friends to my collection. Thanks Pigeon Watch!

Thats what I fear, the inability to fire fibre wad. I need one that does both. Edgar Bros insist that it should. I will call them tomorrow and find out the state of play.

Thanks guys, I will hopefully get this sorted. Personally I like the 20g junior for him. Its nicely balanced and he really likes shooting it. He doesn't like the recoil on an O/U (using hull comp x) and I hope Edgar Bros can rectify any issues they find. It may be the Eley carts? Could be too soft? What fibre carts do you use or would recommend Phaedra1106? Gamebore or Hull?

Wow, Matastrophe, you are either v. lucky or I am an isolated case. I think I will give them the opportunity to put it right as recommended by Fenboy but I do need it to be able to shoot fibre. Have you shot fibre through it? If so which cart? Andy