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  1. Thanks for all those comments - I had thought it was around or just prior to 1900 - so good to get confirmation. The barrel is encased in shrunk on, grey painted canvas. I suppose there may be a name somewhere underneath but it would be a great shame to disturb it. I found another photo which I thought might amuse - you can see the shot cloud emerging from the front of the smoke cloud. John
  2. I see there are some very knowledgeable folk on the forum so hopefully someone may have an idea. I have a punt gun - with no makers name. It is a quality gun and the action is quite distinctive so someone might recognise it. It is 9' long, 1 13/16th diam bore (as far as I can tell). All the screws are individually numbered and she weighs just over 100lbs Unfortunately she didn't come with a punt so I made up a trolley to take up the recoil and transport her about. The screw thread is interesting - it slopes at the front but the rear of the threads is vertical - I guess to take the pressure - I understand this is know as a buttress or Archimedean thread. As you see it is a breech loader with dovetail cases which slide into the breech face. There is a 15 thou taper on the chamber so I assume it was designed for brass cartridges - I had three made as it didn't come with any. It also has a 10 thou taper on the dovetail slot, which makes it really easy to load the cases - not something I imagine you would find in a cheap and cheerful gun. It also comes in a 12' fitted oak box - unfortunately no label. As she is too big for wildfowling her next outing will be on the Queens jubilee weekend - I am assuming it is open season on 40 gallon oil drums by then? Here are a couple of links to some slow motion video clips...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys80KJ5FHeY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8QQ6MUwORw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BuiHNBvsKk
  3. I see there are some very knowledgeable folk on the forum so hopefully someone may have an idea. I have a punt gun - with no makers name. It is a quality gun and the action is quite distinctive so someone might recognise it. It is 9' long, 1 13/16th diam bore (as far as I can tell). All the screws are individually numbered and she weighs just over 100lbs Unfortunately she didn't come with a punt so I made up a trolley to take up the recoil and transport her about. The screw thread is interesting - it slopes at the front but the rear of the threads is vertical - I guess to take the pressure - I understand this is know as a buttress or Archimedean thread. As you see it is a breech loader with dovetail cases which slide into the breech face. There is a 15 thou taper on the chamber so I assume it was designed for brass cartridges - I had three made as it didn't come with any. It also has a 10 thou taper on the dovetail slot, which makes it really easy to load the cases - not something I imagine you would find in a cheap and cheerful gun. It also comes in a 12' fitted oak box - unfortunately no label. As she is too big for wildfowling her next outing will be on the Queens jubilee weekend - I am assuming it is open season on 40 gallon oil drums by then?

    Here are a couple of links to  some slow motion video clips......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys80KJ5FHeY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8QQ6MUwORw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BuiHNBvsKk

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  4. Promatic 400 capacity Supersporting automatic clay pigeon trap. Comes complete with 50m cable. Set up for standard clay targets and uses standard 12 volt battery. In good working order, come straight from work. Regularly serviced. This is a solid, reliable machine from the UK's No 1 clay trap manufacturer. New main bearings and crank 2015. Can be seen working. £750.00 07720033415 (Worcestershire)
  5. In the Gamebore catalogue they are just listed as 'subsonic'. We have broken crossing clays consistently at 40 yards so they will do the business. In the Hull catalogue they are also just listed as 'subsonic'. In most O/U's they will reset the inertia blocks as long as the gun is held firmly in the shoulder - but not every gun. They won't cycle the mechanism on my 20 bore 1100. Certainly not a first choice cartridge unless recoil or noise are an issue, but if they are then once you have got used to them they can be very effective. John
  6. Why don't you buy a few and try them out for yourself? The report is certainly 'softer'. While you are at it buy some 21g loads by different manufacturers and see how they compare. We used the Gamebore subsonic for many years - both in 12 & 20 bore - because they were so soft on the shoulder in spite of having 28g loads. I have never tried them in an auto. They will kill at good distance - but at distance they will need more lead - but that is only a case of getting used to them. Most of the time we now use 21g as the recoil is not much different and they are significantly cheaper. If it means the difference between being able to shoot and not being able to shoot it is worth investigating. Other options you could try are creating acoustic barriers - either straw bales, earth bunds or shooting boxes with absorbing linings. 'Silenced' shotguns are very effective - especially when using subsonic cartridges - but one you have used one you will probably take up golf or fishing! John
  7. Buze, Your idea of shooting 300 cartridges in a session intrigues me. I see lots of different people each week practicing their clay shooting and having lessons. To do it justice you have to be able to 'focus' and 'concentrate' to the exclusion of all else. From practical observation I would suggest that after 100 shots your mental alertness starts to fade. I certainly subscribe to the theory that once you have established a style and system that breaks a particular target you need to reinforce the mental picture by shooting it consistently several times to consolidate that image. However I don't think that most people - no matter how much weight lifting and mental exercise they do - will maintain maximum performance over 300 targets in a session. The only time I have shot 300+ cartridges in a day has been on simulated days and I know that by the end or the day I am certainly not as sharp as I was at the start. As I own a shooting ground perhaps I shouldn't be questioning your ideas but encouraging more - and the more the better - to follow in your footsteps - particularly around the South Worcester area!! What do others think? John
  8. If you want to improve listen to what WW says - go and get at least 2 or 3 lessons with an instructor who comes recommended - not necessarily from one of the organisations. Many of the best coaches do not belong to the various organisations, as they have no need, they get their work through their reputation and personal recommendation. At the ground we get so many people who phone up having just got their brand new certificate after a long, long wait - rushed out and bought a gun and then find that can't hit anything like as many clays as they thought they would. First you need to establish a sound, simple, reliable, consistent technique - easier said than done. You need to establish a good stance, mount and fit and eye dominance. This can all be covered quite quickly but it will then give you confidence to move forward. Start off on easy clays and gradually move on to more difficult ones once you have mastered the basic techniques. You will never achieve your potential if you just blaze away at competition standard targets hoping to occasionally connect at some point. It will cost you more and be so frustrating you may well give up before reaching your potential and gaining maximum enjoyment from your sport. You certainly cant analyse someone's problems on a forum - you need to check them out and see them shoot otherwise it is just guessing blind. John
  9. BRB are great bits of kit. avoid the cheap ones as they have limited range and don't like obstacles. I use them all the time at the shooting ground and find them very reliable. John
  10. Good morning, If anyone is going to bring along an interesting pre 1914 gun to show off on Saturday then please drop me an e-mail beforehand so I know how many display tables to get and run through details. The best e-mail to get me on is info@swsg.co.uk Looking forward to meeting lots of new people and seeing some interesting old guns - we already have promises of flinters, percussion, pin fire, tube and pill locks coming. As a taster - this is Lees recently acquired Perrins 10 bore on it's first outing - broke the clay as well. John
  11. A few years ago I bought some brass 14 bore shotgun cases from Rocky Mountain Cartridge Company by post. No problem except I had to pay a small amount of import duty. The rules may have changed but I am sure an e-mail to RMC would clarify the situation. The cases were turned form solid brass so would last forever. John
  12. Kev - if you can manage to find the M5 from the M6 on June 11th you can join us on the Vintage Gun and Perrins Owners day at South Worcester. As well as all the old guns to look at there will be the local muzzle loaders club running a 'have a go' stand. They are very knowledgeable and will be terribly enthusiastic about the great fun shooting black powder can be. Have a look at the post for more details. John
  13. If any of you can make it to the Vintage Gun day & Perrins owners club meet on June 11th at South Worcester you will; be most welcome to bring your wonderful old guns to show them off. Let me know if you are coming so I can give you a few details - see the post covering the day. If anyone wants to set up a web site dedicated to any specific maker or type of gun and I can be of help then get in touch - there is a link on http://info71508.wix.com/perrinsgunmaker which will also give you an idea of what a complete technology numpty can achieve - with a bit of help - bearing in mind this one was born before they had even invented the pocket calculator and remembers TV's in black and white and only one channel. I see a couple of you have had difficulty loading photos of your guns, which is a great shame. The way I do it is to use 'photobucket' Open an account and upload the photos - it's free. next to the photo will appear a menu - either click or hover over the bottom option and it should turn yellow and say 'copied' All you then have to do is paste this link on the page you are writing on the forum. By magic the photo will appear. John
  14. Good morning, I see there have been a couple of new posts regarding vintage guns and muzzle loaders. On Saturday June 11th we have our bi-annual Vintage Gun Day and Perrins Owners Club meet at South Worcester. Here are some details. Free admission - if you have an interesting pre 1914 gun you would like to display you will need a small padlock to secure it to the cord. Best send me an e-mail beforehand and I can let you have more details. John Vintage Guns Day The Perrins Gun Club, founded in 2009 to celebrate the work of John Perrins & Sons Master Gun-makers of Worcester is holding an open day Saturday 11th June South Worcester Shooting Ground Hook Common Hanley Castle Worcs. WR8 0AX 10.00 am – 3.00pm Free Entrance Besides the Perrins guns there will be a wide display of other vintage guns which last time including those of Purdey, Rigby, Holland & Holland, Thomas Horsley, and other prestigious makers. Gun experts and authors David Baker, Lew Potter, and Mark Crudginton will be on hand to provide opinion and value on owner’s guns. There will be opportunities to shoot black powder muzzle loading guns under expert supervision and clay stands are available for shooting. Anyone interested in fly fishing is encouraged to try their hand at casting under the guidance of our local expert. Plenty of parking and refreshments available. If you are interested in bringing a gun along for display or valuation then please phone before hand, John Clements 01684-310605 or 07720033415 http://info71508.wix.com/perrinsgunmaker Info@swsg.co.uk A REALLY GOOD DAY OUT!
  15. I make up my own in MS publisher for the shooting ground as we have so many different requirements DTL, compak, snooker, 100. 80, 60 sporting and various team events. If you send me a PM with a direct e-mail address I will send you a few as attachments as I don't think I can do this through the forum. One thing I would say if you design your own put the team/individuals name at the bottom rather than the top. When it is held on a clip board it makes it easier to read and see who is next on the stand - so obvious but not many cards are printed this way. John
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