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  1. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    Nae probs. Good of you.
  2. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    No. You posed a question based on your own interpretation. Yawn.
  3. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    Well all that looks pretty ominous for the future of game shooting.
  4. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    I don't bother because your question is not necessarily relevant to the Code - as other posters have explained. I know that every shoot I go on has a home for its game (usually the Guns and beaters). I can only hope the BGA gets results, for the overall good of shooting. But in the absence of any restraint or responsibility from some of the "I'll shoot as big a bag as I can buy and damn what happens to it after that" lot it has an uphill struggle.
  5. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    I have sympathy with your view. However, just one point - very little game is officially allowed to be called "organic". This is not just because of the chemicals used in rearing - even wild venison from the hill cannot be labelled "organic", at the risk of big fines from Trading Standards. "Organic" meat has to be reared on a registered organic holding, where it can be shown it is not exposed to synthetic chemicals etc and regularly inspected by an accredited organisation, like the Soil Association. . Sadly, the ordinary meaning of the word "organic" has been captured by officialdom, and I recall a retailer being given a rap over the knuckles, at the instigation of an anti group, when he had the temerity to describe shot pheasants as "organic".
  6. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    No. Can't be bothered to ask, even, because the question is irrelevant and a distraction from my point, which is that that the Code of Good Shooting Practice stipulates that game is to be treated as food, and shoots shouldn't produce game unless they know can dispose of it properly, ie into the human food chain. Exactly how they do that is up to them - some give it away, it seems, from earlier posts. Fair enough; as long as it isn't wasted. Anybody who participates in a shoot should, to my mind, satisfy themselves that it is abiding by the Code. It's irresponsible to do anything else, in my opinion. Here is the relevant section of the Code, once again: "Shoot managers must ensure they have appropriate arrangements in place for the sale or consumption of the anticipated bag in advance of all shoot days." If you don't agree with this, then that's up to you. I am sure the antis would welcome you with open arms. Now, the current "oversupply" of game meat is an observable fact. Whatever the reason, it exists. That's why shoots are giving it away - or even paying for it to be taken away. We need to recognise this basic fact in order to deal with it. And the evidence (see links in earlier posts) suggests that both the total number and the density of pheasant rearing has increased greatly in recent decades. Yet I see no evidence that the overall number of game shoots has increased markedly over the same time. So, this suggests that some of the big shoots are getting even bigger. Hence more game is flooding the market. And this has led to problems for shoots of all sizes, in my opinion, as the commercial value of game meat has collapsed, depriving shoots of income, and at the same time giving the antis potent ammunition to attack the public perception of game and game shooting. The BGA, it seems, is attempting to address the current supply/demand imbalance by stimulating demand, rather than restricting supply. That's a perfectly respectable position. I wish them well.
  7. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    Well, yes, it is "simple" - too much game meat (supply), not enough of a market (demand). But that's not just my own opinion. Here is what the British Game Alliance states on its website, under FAQs: "The BGA is the only organisation tackling the ever-increasing issue of oversupply of game on to the market as well as implementing credible self-regulation. We cannot afford for the issue to worsen as it is our Achilles heel and if allowed to continue to crash would result in government intervention and subsequently shooting being heavily restricted. We have been warned of this as far up as No 10."
  8. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    Well, this sounds like it is meeting the Code of Good Shooting Practice, so that's good. But what a pity that we see high quality, free range game meat effectively being given away these days.
  9. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    RE release and bag trends, I suggest you look at the GWCT website.https://www.gwct.org.uk/research/species/birds/common-pheasant/ Or the recent Madden study, published in the European Journal of Wildlife Research,https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10344-018-1199-5 the intro of which states (my emphasis): "Each year, pheasants Phasianus colchicus are artificially reared in captivity (hereafter ‘reared’) and released into the UK countryside for game shooting. Numbers of released game birds have been put at 25 million (Sage et al. 2005), 34.9 million (BASC 2015), 40 million (PACEC 2008) and 50 million (including partridges at likely < 20%) (Harper 2014; Winter 2013). Interpretations of such data vary and exact numbers are disputed. Regardless, there is a general pattern of increased release numbers over the past 50 years, with around nine times as many pheasants released in 2011 compared to 1961 when monitoring began (Robertson et al. 2017). In any case, the collapse of the market price for game meat speaks for itself; we are shooting more game than the market wants. Re the purported increase in the number of game shoots, where is the evidence? Shotgun certificates are fewer now than in the 1980s. According to the latest (2017) GunsOnPegs/Strutt and Parker shoot survey: "The majority of game shoots in the UK are small, DIY syndicated or private shoots that shoot a handful of small bag days. However, just over 7% of shoots accounted for half of the total number of birds put down and shot." RE Code of Good Shooting practice, you seem to be suggesting that most commercial shoots are breaking it. I do hope not. The relevant section of the code (4) states: Shoot managers must ensure they have appropriate arrangements in place for the sale or consumption of the anticipated bag in advance of all shoot days.
  10. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    I see no evidence that there has been any real growth in the number of game shoots overall - only in the size of the total UK bag, caused by a relatively small proportion of shoots that produce increasingly large bags, I believe. And the ensuing oversupply of game meat is now a key problem for driven game shooting, no matter what the size of the shoot, not to mention issues associated with overstocking etc. Anybody who participates in a shoot - of any size, commercial or private - should satisfy themselves that it is obeying the Code of Good Shooting Practice, which basically stipulates that game must not be shot unless it has a pre-arranged market for human consumption. That's what I mean by taking responsibility.
  11. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    To my way of thinking, those who shoot gamebirds without taking any responsibility for ensuring that the resulting carcases enter the human food chain would be better to stick to shooting inanimate targets. Same with the exponents of "extreme" pheasant shooting, where sentient creatures are used as little more than feathered targets, in the full knowledge that many will be wounded in the course of bolstering the Gun's bragging rights. It is true that we don't shoot game for food as the main motive, any more than we eat meat to live. We shoot game - as we eat meat - for entertainment. But the way we treat the animals we kill is very important. The big bag brigade have been largely responsible for the collapse in game meat prices, through an excess of supply over demand. This in turn has harmed the public perception of game shooting.
  12. stagboy

    Game days? How much is justifiable?

    Yes, but the relatively small number of big baggers are saturating the game meat market, meaning that many more moderate -sized shoots - which provide shooting days for many, many more people, of course - are suffering the consequences of not being able to sell their game. In short, the greed few are spoiling it for the moderate majority.
  13. stagboy

    Dumped Pheasants...

    From The Times, page 17, Jan 17: "Liam Bell, chairman of the National Gamekeepers Organisation, said that the video showed "an abomination" and called for the perpetrators to face justice.
  14. stagboy

    Motion to Ban Lead Shot

    No. They do require shotcups, however, and presently only Gamebore make a biodegradable shotcup steel load - and even then in only one (three inch load). They could make other loads, but at present there is no market demand, it seems.
  15. stagboy

    Skiing trip

    And yet... I was in a famous mountain restaurant (Chez Vrony) in Zermatt, Switzerland, last year, and a half litre of excellent local beer was just 6.50 Swiss francs (about £5.15p). Great value, given the venue and the setting, with staggering views of the Matterhorn. On the other hand, I confess was slightly startled to be charged 30 Euros for a pizza down in the town! That's Zermatt, mind;. Austrian resorts are much cheaper than either Switzerland or France, and the service is much better.
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