Terry2016

Hi Konor, You have misinterpreted my offer. For clarity, I won't spend hours on here reading past posts or threads, I use this forum in a personal capacity as explained in previous posts. My offer of a Team's meeting or meetings was for everyone on the forum - no mention of private meetings from me ? they are open to groups or individuals. The purpose was for anyone concerned who reads the thread. The BASC positions can be found on the BASC website, the challenges we face can be found on the HSE and BASC website. Responses and reasoning can be found on every supporting organisations website. My offer remains for a meeting on teams should you like one. You failed to answer the question of membership ?

Hi Gordon, My reply covers why BASC didn't consult its members in a way you had hoped for and the reasoning for the transition away from lead shot and single use plastics. I think what you are after is the reasons / evidence that allowed the decisions by all of the shooting organisations to be made, if so this is extremely well documented, from evidence to perception, the development of products and the ever impending legislation. All can be found on any of the supporting organisations websites or with a quick google search. We now have 140 + types of suitable sustainable cartridges in several gauges on the market for people to use, that alone is a huge step forwards. Of course it would always be a challenge or a bombshell as you refer to it, but its one all of the shooting organisations agreed needed to be done head on. I am unsure why state that you don't like the tone of my message, I can only assume it's because it's direct which is at odds as that is what you have been wanting "direct answers" I you are a member of BASC or not is of importance to me, for instance if you are a member and are dissatisfied with this position, have you spoke to anyone face to face to air your concerns ? If you are not a member and would like to discuss the offer remains. Best Terry A fair answer, thank you, can I ask, was it the removal of insurance (comfort blanket) or the lack of consultation on the decision that made decide to leave?

Hi Gordon BASC act daily without consulting its members. The "consultation of members" I think you refer to is directly asking each member if a transition is what they want ? That is not how BASC or any of the organisations that adopted this position work/ function. (all of whom are membership organisations) Instead they are run by employees and Council members. Council members vote on decisions. - council are elected members of BASC. The reasons can be found on the BASC website, here is a link to the lates update. https://basc.org.uk/moving-forward-for-the-future-of-shooting/#:~:text=In 2020%2C a commitment was,plastics for live quarry shooting. Also below is a link to all of the organisations statements and reasons for the transition. https://aimtosustain.org.uk/aim-to-sustain-lead-transition-statements-for-spring-2024/ This forum is a source of information for the users. Conor regularly shares updates, and you have the option to ask questions. however as explained I use this in a personal capacity hence offering a meeting as I am not monitoring this and wouldn't want to miss anything etc You can email me at BASC should you have a query or we can have a teams call. Now - are you a member ? You don't. I am interested to see who the few vocal people on this forum are with relation to BASC membership. Are you a member ?

The "art" of woodpigeon shooting 👍

Excellent, its funny how after all these years seeing pigeons coming in still excites me !

Very nice bag, some good food and great crop protection.

Hi Gordon, No magic calls offered, just a chat via a face to face call or meeting. If you look at my response to Rewulf I use this forum in a personal capacity and dip in and out have done so for near 10 years. I am unsure what is "unanswered" however, I am pretty sure you can find it on the BASC website if needed and a teams call is not sufficient etc. The offer remains. Could you clarify are you a BASC member ?

The purpose was to offer a meeting to address any concerns you or anyone else has. I use this forum in a personal capacity and have done for near 10 years, I know many of the members, I have shot with them, purchased guns from them and sold cartridges to them along with far to much pigeon shooting gear ! I dip in and out as time allows its always been a good forum, so if you want to discuss anything my offer stands. Could you clarify are you a BASC member ? Konor, No problem, my offer remains should you change your mind. Could you clarify are you a BASC member ?

Dear All, I am more than happy to host a team's call with you to discuss face to face. Individually or as a group. All you need to do is message with your details, and we can arrange, that way you do not have to travel etc, If you have genuine concerns and would like a conversation to discuss any points. I do not engage on here often and when i have i have tried to clarify concerns of people. So, if you have questions or concerns i will set up a meeting. Please let me know Best Terry

Conor has not convinced me I have been following the HSE restriction proposals very closely, there is no wriggle room for live quarry shooting with shot. The only real question is whether any evidence actually exists to show that the use of lead shot inland is sufficiently detrimental to wildlife and the environment to justify a lead ban The evidence relating to "inland" wildlife and the environment is patchy - however - the GWCT state the below Does lead shot have an impact on the wider environment?Lead is recognised as a highly toxic substance to both humans and wildlife. Because of this, it is near-inevitable that it will have a negative impact where it occurs. In addition to wildfowl, other animal groups are affected by lead shot poisoning. Raptors and scavengers can become poisoned when they consume carcasses or live prey that contain lead shot, and lead shot may also present a risk to foraging game birds So where there could be lacking evidence the perception is that is is a risk. and therefore we should move away from it. No figures needed, as above perception and risk equal the need to move away.

Why would i question them, what is the reason so you can prove they do not break down or so you are confident they will ? If you are not happy with bioammo use one of the others and just crack on...

How can you prove they are not? i am interested. the manufacturers state they are thats why BASC chose to voluntary (not ban) move away form single use plastic wads as well so that we have steel shot with suitable wads. Hence the request for a transition over a period of years, rather than a cliff edge stop. Lead is going no doubt about it, the only decision needed is what are you going to use instead of lead.

indeed, a list is -not labelling its to show the type of wad etc a great idea... if they knew ... as they do not, they cannot and of course. there would be to many variables due to conditions and temperature for them to state it i recall hull stating 2 years on a video with TGS,. I think the point is that they will break down, plastic does not, even some fibre wads have bitumen and many have a plastic caps at the bottom

BASC do not label them the manufacturers do, BASC have called for a move away from plastic wads. there are many types including paper ...

That depends on your gun, and shot combination, as say get your bores measured tell them what loads you plan to use, they will agree the thou required . then pattern your gun ....