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I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but the pup is only 12 wks old ?

Used to be fencing but now retired due to general decrepidness ? Now gundogs, caravan, camping and off roading.

None of the pheasant, partridge, pigeon i have shot with 30g 6s seemed to mind much.

The news said accident, no criminal offence....sorry but a child was allowed access to a gun which by law should have been secure...i will say no more.

? The simple fact is that the uk have laws about many things and yet the courts seem to dish out the most lenient of sentences. I totally agree with the above analogy

Irrelevant. The point is that licensing will carry a degree of responsibility and will go a long way to ensuring people at least secure and handle guns in a responsible manner. Obviously we have no details of this particular incident but if we presume the gun was not secured and that it was either loaded or able to be then that would "probably" not have happened as the license holder would have abided by the law and had it secured in the same way as sgc holders do with there guns . As for grass roots blah blah blah, there would be nothing to stop someone joining a club and progressing from there or if lets say they had land for pest control then apply for a licence abide by the rules and crack on

I am at a loss as to what reasons some people are against licensing. Saying it wont make a difference is no argument because of course it will. Airguns should imo be licensed exactly the same way as shotguns. Unsavoury folk will be put off the hassle of applying, decent folk will go through the process and eventually "a lot" of illegally held guns will be taken off the street much the same as would have happened when shotguns became licensed. Yes criminals still have guns but that is nothing to do with licensing. As an aside anyone who leaves any gun open to access by children or indeed adults is a total idiot. My air rifles are locked away and have been for thirty odd years since i got my sgc.

This ?

Exactly ?

In my opinion there is no valid reason for even sub 12ft lb air guns not to be licensed in some way. This is very sad indeed and only goes to validate the law regarding air guns to be kept secure from children.

I got stung on my hand on Tuesday it swelled up something terrible and went up my arm, painfull and itchy still not right but improving

Yes sir they do all the coding but you need to take your car so they can check it works, it would seem that they just copy the code from the key you have. My local timpsons is a kiosk outside local tesco so it was easy. They really were very very efficient and literally five min job ?

Yep, timpsons did a coded key for my vitara within five minutes and about 40 quid

Thank you gentlemen. As for wind, from past experience of shooting drillings on this part of the crop field it usually blows from the grass to the crop straight through both woods. Hasnt been any wind lately however so things may have changed. PS Farmer reckons crop is poor and a while off being cut. PPS Had a recce yesterday evening birds were on rape stubble which was being harvested at the time however other end of my field i watched a few dozen take off from the standing barley then drop in again so they are definitely hitting this crop

Cheers Ken And thank you for the replies thus far

That sounds like it could work but i will need to shoot from other side of field to the gate in order to ensure a safe shot fall. See pic.. Ps thats in shade too ?

No there on the standing barley, not in this specific area of the crop but because there is nothing laid ithe meadow is all i have to work with, there isnt even any significant tram lines

Thank you. This is the view the other way taken fourty yards to the left of the gate in first pic, as you can see the meadow is only about 150yds wide at this point and the land behind me on first pic is not my perm (the wood on pic 1 is mine as is the meadow and the barley field, obviously) so i need to be shooting towards / over the barley. I don't want to go in the barley if i can help it and nor do i want my cocker in there unless its essential ie a runner.

Standing barley, nothing laid. The meadow is about twenty acres to the left of the pic, large wood in front, field to the rear with another wood. Birds flight between woods and from wood to wood. So how would you approach this scenario. Shoot as a flight line or decoy somehow ??

Thanks Walker, i didnt consider lofters. This meadow is "usually" a flight line.

On my perm there is no laid or failed crop. (Spring barley) however i have a small meadow (about five acres maybe) between two woods. There are quite a few pigeon knocking about as adjacent farm has just cut rape fields. So, i am thinking of having a bash on this meadow and was wondering do i just set hide up on the hedgeline and shoot em flighting or is it worth decoying with either shells or magnet. (The field has had cattle on recently so its short)

I wont be working my girl on stubble

Me too ?

Totally agree, i wear a tie on formal days, syndicate days, loading and even beating. Tradition and general gentlemanly behaviour should be upheld ?

Might give it a go ?