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Sorry guys this is long but i think its all necessary. Gaining permission is a problem, but the key is keep trying, I have literally thousands of acres to shoot pigeons on gained over 30 years, this how i did it, worked for me. firstly you are unlikely to get permission to shoot over farmland if its not really required, So because you've seen thousands of birds over oilseed stubble doesn't mean the farmer has a problem.( but ask anyway) and use the sighting of thousands of birds. You will be successful eventually, the harder it is to get permission the more valuable it is to you, so a few tips here always pick up empties, do not shoot anything you should not shoot, do not shoot anywhere that is likely to cause a problem ie close to houses roads footpath etc. So you now have a base if you behave yourself. If the farmer calls you, you go doesn't matter what it is crows, feral in the barn and grain stores, rats, rabbits. get to know them stop by have a chat if their not busy. all the time do your recon in the area. if your permission calls for you to shoot over oilseed in winter there is a big chance other local farms are having the same problem. ask your farmer who owns the other farms, have they got contact details, very often the farmer will have a word for you. Bingo another farm, and it goes on and on. over a shortish period these farms will get to know you, believe or not but farmers will actually seek you out when there's a problem. A good pest controller who says he's going be there at a specific time and date will soon get picked up by other farms. The biggest blocks of land to shoot over are estates. if you ask a gamekeeper if you can shoot pigeons, you know what the answer is going to be straight away. But ask a gamekeeper if he needs a beater that will almost certainly be a different answer. you will have to have a couple days off work or swap shifts, holidays whatever it takes. Between September and February you wont be shooting pigeons, but the rest of the year you ll be ok you will have to keep away from release pens when the birds go out, but the keeper will usually find you something. Thats how i did it now i have too much so when called by farms if im committed elsewhere, i will suggest a friend of mine can do it. I have several friends who are retired. Just a few more tips im not a fan of business cards its very rare a farmer will keep it anyway, be polite you don't need to dressed up in your finest clothes, rather turn up in shooting clothes. not a ghillie suit or cameoed to the nines. as long as you're presentable you'll be fine. The most likely answer you'll get no im fine thankyou i have someone who does it for me already, this maybe or may not be true, either way make a note, it could come in useful later on. sometimes but very rarely, you'll get no **** off. thank them for there time and move on make a note again, that is a farm you don't want to shoot. I have had such rejections and years later that farmer has rung me, not realising that previously he had been rude. You'll need to decide whether you take him up or not. I didn't. One last thing remember that when you have permission somebody else is asking. The answer they get is no I've got somebody shooting for me . that will only be the case if your doing your job, when and where you are asked. If your asked to go Monday morning, most cases you'll have to work. that's when a trusted friend becomes valuable. if not and its a real problem farmers will get somebody else. Although i have plenty to shoot on i still ask at farms. and i still get rejections. but i keep trying. you never know who's coming behind you offering cash and then letting days to people who don't have there own permission. Make sure you have gun insurance BASC , etc. Hope this helps anybody that reads it. If you have questions please PM me if you dont want it shown on the forum.

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Hi welsh warrior Sorry my error he's 10 years old. When you say modified, how do you mean, the stock shortened ? many thanks

Hi Everybody, My grandson is very keen to come pigeon shooting with me, I welcome his enthusiasm , but I have a problem as to what gun he should use, he's average weight and build for his age so im thinking .410 single, but most 410's will be too long in the stock, has anyone come across this problem, and how did they cure it. also does anybody have a gun that is no longer used because it has been grown out of. many thanks in advance.

If he is a friend and a shooting man then this is simple to stop. When the dog barks say nothing throw a container of water at him, try make sure he dosent see it coming ( shock factor ) also make sure its a good drenching if done correctly he will only need to do it a couple of times. E collar is defiantly not the way,( unless the dog has been conditioned for an e collar ) that is going to create more problems. good old fashioned cold water and the element of surprise will cure this. and you wont have to fall out with your friend.

My commands are as follows come here ( recall ) pip pip pip pip arms outstretched sideward's sit ( which means put your **** to the floor and don't move until told to do so ) long whistle blow ( which means sit ) arm raised shot fired ( which means sit ) gun raised bird or game flush ( which means sit ) get out ( from heal which means retrieve ) no hand signal if its a seen retrieve if its a blind then push arm in the direction of the fall lost ( which means hunt that area for a retrieve ) no hand signal whistle short pip followed rapidly by a long decreasing volume pip get back ( retrieve from not at heal ) arm pushed upward get on ( which means hunt for game ) no hand signal gone away ( return to heal from a retrieve ) arms outstretched sideward leave that ( don't retrieve that bird or game I want a different bird or game ) I have all these with a young ( green ) spaniel apart from drop to shot and drop to flush. these take a lot of training and a lot of time. Those are the commands I use but dog don't understand English so any repetitive sound or signal will do as long as it is repetitive.

Hi Guys sorry, I thought anybody that requires powder, shot, shell or primers would know what F.E.S is its Folkstone Engineering Supplies as salting correctly says. if anybody wants anything message me your number and ill call you. sittinginhedges I think tommy wore a Fez. lol.

Hi Guys I'm planning a trip to fes soon and was wondering I anybody else wants anything to help with the cost of the fuel I'm In the midlands so I could do a meet with anybody that's wants anything. Thanks in advance jon

Hi My shooting is now starting to get a bit thin on the ground, with the beans and the barley through and the spring drillings finished on the farms where i have permission. In the next week or two i have a farm that is going to start drilling maize. My question is, is fresh sown maize any good for pigeon shooting?

Hi george 88 quid including the dreaded 20% powder delivery 36 and a tenner for the shot and wads. can i call you for your prices Many thanks Jon

Hi everybody. got equipment to start reloading. contacted clay and game. placed order online to make 250 32g No6's sent copy of sg cert they rang to get payment. Are you ready for this. £ 134.00 of course if i buy in quantity that price comes down. Now ive read that reloading is not cheaper than shop bought unless your reloading specials but twice the price is an expense that i will not do. I asked Clay and Game why the expense the order including VAT was £ 88 the answer was delivery charges. so i contacted FES and there prices were slightly cheaper not by much a few pounds, so i had a chat with him. Apparently the couriers are doing there best to pull out transporting dangerous goods this will include guns and ammo and as there is only one courier they pretty much charge what they like. Having spoken with FES we have a possible solution. Which is im going to collect my order if anybody wants me to collect there order i can do that for the cost of the fuel. But there are limits to what i can privately carry. So if you are close to me and you want me to collect your order please let me Know. Many thanks

hi iksopener I dont know is there anybody in telford that reloads carts that i could watch for a while Many thanks

thanks all I have a question for fortune It appears that the bushes are the original Bowman bushes, the smallest one i have is 24 1/2 grns of N260 i think its 260 the stamp is a little worn. i will be getting some scales, my question is, is this in the right ball park is is it to large for loading 32gr of 6 shot with cheddite primers in a 2 3/4 hull ? many thanks forgot to mention maxam csb5

hi aya firstly deek range, this depends on wind direction, shot, choke etc etc etc. Also depends wether you want to kill pigeons or have some sporty shooting me personally with the wind in my back ( pigeons coming straight at the hide ) will start with a u shaped pattern with ( with 15 deeks put 2 rows of four about 15 to 20 yards in front of you with the remaining seven completing the u shape. if the wind is stronger move the deeks in a little. let the pigeons come as closee as possible then stand up the birds will flare and with a good wind will be moving very quickly, his has the effect of the birds now being at the right distance 25 to 35 yards and will force you to move the gun through to make the shot. with the wind in your back the main part of the pattern can be a little further out 30 to 40 yards with the arms of the u shape starting about 10 yards from the hide. basically set your deeks up with the kill zone about 35 yards from the hide. whirleys and gadgets work in certain cases but are definatley not a substitute for field craft. the single most important thing is recon find the flight lines which will be different for any given day, weather being the key. floaters work well if your like me youll make them up in the field coulple of pieces of hazel one pushed through the vent up into the birds head and a second to brace the wings apart, cheap quick and more importantly nothing to carry willow will work as well at a push. fishing i do my fishing on the welsh coast around aberdovey great for bass. but eu legislation, is a pain right now. But thats another topic Good luck above all its not the number pigeons you kill it the fun you have trying. hope this helps

does anybody know who stocks this in the midlands many thanks