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Tell him to read Mungo Park's book 'Travels To The Interior Districts of Africa'. There's plenty on the slave trade in there. Although to be fair it was probably the Moors who were the main internal traders where Park travelled. The black Dahomey traders and raiders were further south. Park's book is an interesting read for anyone actually, and it's downloadable free on Kindle. He was a very remarkable man and he writes well too.

The problem is that most of the time, it's not the majority view. What was the turnout at the last general election? 67%? And the Conservatives won the highest proportion of the vote in ages with 48%. 48% of 67% is not a majority. The same would go for any other other votes, including the referenda. This all or nothing way of conducting affairs is very damaging to the cohesion of the country.

So how do you know all this if the charge never made it onto court prosecutors documents? And why was battery mentioned in the prosecutors document above, and yet there was no mention of any sexual assault by anyone? Everything else was mentioned. And were any of his accomplices charged with this sexual assault? And if not why not? Surely it's not something that could just be pleaded away?

Wrong. It mentions her being struck on the side of the side of the head by one of his accomplices when she screamed for help, so why wouldn't it mention a sexual assault. But what's your point? My original objection was that NobodyImportant, for whatever reason, asserted that Floyd had held a gun to a pregnant woman while she was being raped. Why he would have asserted that, I don't know. Perhaps he was just badly informed. Understand that I'm not defending Floyd. I couldn't care tuppence about him. What I'm doing is trying to defend the truth. I can appreciate that it would have been much better for the story if he'd been a serial rapist, but he wasn't. He was someone who - from reading the charges - would appear to have gone with his mates to rob a drug dealers house and got the wrong residence. A pack of clowns - they even left one of themselves behind.

Not on the charge sheet he didn't. And there was no mention of sexual assault on the part of any of them either. Or perhaps you know more than the Texas prosecutor?

He was part of a gang that forced their way into someone's house looking for drugs and cash. Who would do that? Not a career criminal anyway. But I never said he was a good bloke. All I said was that he wasnt a rapist. It's interesting though that you apparently have a bigger issue with my correction of that fact than with the original falsehood.

https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/ His actual record is in this article. I'm not defending the guy but he was a petty criminal with a drug problem - or an addict with a crime problem. Whatever. In any event he was never accused of being an accessory to rape. Let's not get carried away and invent stuff.

Floyd had a pretty chequered past, but when you just invent stuff like this it says more about your agenda than it does about him.

If you want new Vostocks with 'old' designs, I've bought a few times from these people and have nothing but good things to say about them. https://www.ebay.com/usr/moscowtimeseller?_trksid=p2047675.l2559 That's an amazing collection you have BTW. . I have a total of 9 watches (mostly Vostocks) and there I was, thinking I was getting a bit extravagant!!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Strange-Death-Europe-Immigration-Identity/dp/1472942248

I don't understand what the issue is, sorry.

Not so hot the last couple of days, it's fallen to the mid 40s. On Thursday it was 50+, and driving back from going to check out some fishing the outside temp reading in the truck was actually up to 52 for a bit. Even though it's bearable because the humidity is very low, it's pretty still pretty hostile weather to be outside for long in, especially if you're not very well covered. It looks like we'll have to go early and pack in the fishing before lunch.

You're right, it shouldn't. But inevitably to some extent it's bound to be, and it's not necessarily evidence of any kind of real negative intent on the part of the police. It's just the nature of policemen that they want to know stuff that's not necessarily their business at all. For example, even if you're just an innocent witness to a traffic accident, as likely not at some point in the conversation you'll find yourself being asked about your job, or your family, or where you were going when the accident happened, or some other irrelevant snippets of information. I don't know if it's training or natural, but this curiosity/nosiness seems hard-wired into them and it's just how they are. So when they see two white guys in an area where everyone else is Asian, it's like a rabbit running across in front of a spaniel. It overwhelmes their natural instincts and they can't help themselves. They have to stop whoever it is and ask them their business. That's not the same thing as, in an evenly mixed area, police stopping and questioning every 10th black guy but only every 50th white guy or whatever. But of course, even then if there are a disproportionate number of younger, gangish-looking blokes among the black passers by than among the white passers by then it's not really racial profiling per se at all, even if statistically that's what it looks like. A difficult area.....

What was the predominant colour of the 'indigenous' population? I can quite imagine that two white blokes driving around in an almost exclusively brown or black neighborhood could attract the curiosity of the police.

🤣 It gets better and better. This was the bloke who tested his eyesight by putting his wife and kid in the car and taking them for a 60 mile drive. Now it turns out he spent 10 days isolating himself in a swimming pool that he mistook for a cottage. Are you sure he's alright in the head?

I think the race thing is particularly sensitive because it's so indiscriminate. When Noah mentioned the Amy Cooper incident, I found the link and watched it. And then I could see where he was coming from. OK, admittedly Cooper doesn't seem the full shilling, but nonetheless what she did demonstrated an automatic and often unspoken hierarchy in (particularly American) society that exists regardless of any other factor. When you say homeless people are discriminated against, or are bullied by the police, that's undeniable too. Even worse for the homeless with mental problems. Just look at the horrific torturing to death of Kelly Thomas, and how the cops were found not guilty of a filmed killing. But I think the difference is that the discrimination stops with the homeless or the mental part. It's not such a blanket thing. In the Cooper video though, a middle class white woman has a dispute with a middle class black man, and straight away she reaches for a weapon (the police) whom she knows will almost certainly take her side. And what's more, as Noah says, she knows exactly what she's doing. And what she did laid bare everyone's relationship with each other -herself, the police, the birdwatcher - and how it's almost taken for granted within society. I'd never thought of it like that before, and I"d never really looked at if from that perspective. And why would I? It doesn't negatively affect me. BUT, now that I've had it explained to me I can see how it affects every single black person. No matter if you're middle class, plant stuff in the park, sit on committees for the park, and go about your hobby lawfully, if you come into conflict with a white person of the same socio-economic strata, they can sic the police onto you in a manner that likely endangers your life. And if he hadn't managed to capture the whole thing on video, he's of probably been arrested. So it's a bit different to homeless people or the mentally ill. It's far broader. I think that's the point he was trying to get across.

I never said you did. You insulted the Noah bloke, who I'd never even heard of until my ex posted the link on our WhatsApp group. But she said it was worth listening to to the end, so I did. And not knowing who he was, I listened to what he had to say with no preconceived ideas of what I was going to hear. Having heard him out, I think she was right so I stuck the link up here for anyone else to follow if they wanted to. And they you pop up and gratuitously call him a knob - probably because you imagine he's saying something you disagree with. If you don't want to listen to what has to say, fine. But why the name calling? Anyway, never mind. Let's let it go.

From the link....'A search of DH1 3SU, the postcode of the property jointly owned by Dominic Cummings, yields just one result; North Lodge.' So what about the cottage that he apparently stayed in - on his jointly owned property? The thing is, it's not about the cottage per se. If, and at this stage it's only if, it turns out that he's in contravention of planning regulations and has been avoiding paying council tax on property that he owns, what's anyone supposed to say?'Oh, never mind. I'm sure it was just an oversight? OR ' There was the lock down break and the incredible eye-test driving story. Then there was the absurd boast about having written about Covid last year when in fact the section was edited in after his return from Durham. Now, on the face of it, there's long term avoidance of planning laws and tax liabilities. This is a bit of a pattern developing here, no? And it's not a pattern that does any credit to his honesty or integrity. Now, you might be happy to follow a proven liar into the Year Zero economic desert that Cummings and his disciples want to lead country. But others perhaps are not and they've a right to know the sort of person their futures are being entrusted to.

Here we go again. Can't engage with what they're saying so just throw rocks at the messenger. it's shallow as (fill in the blank), and absolutely predictable. I should put a rider on any link I put up - 'just so you know, Bewulf will be along any minute to insult the author'. You could save the trouble of posting by trying to catch me out.... Nothing. But neither do half the posts on this thread. Why pick on me?

My ex-missus sent me the link below. The bloke in it presents some thoughtful ideas on this whole story and the context in which to see it. Kept me watching to the end, anyway. https://ew.com/tv/trevor-noah-george-floyd/?amp=true#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

Interesting. Seems Cummings cottage doesn't officially exist. https://universalcreditsuffer.com/2020/05/31/cummings-spare-cottage-without-planning-permission-and-pays-no-council-tax/

You can use oat straw as feed too. It's softer and more pliable than other cereal straw and sweetened with molasses both sheep and cattle love it. As for the pigeons, probably one of my best day's decoying ever was over a field of oats. But for the pigeons to really get on it, you need the crop to have gone down and as Walker570 says the new varieties are much shorter stemmed and so are probably less likely to lie over. But on the right day and in the right circumstances the woodies will go mad for oats. Definitely worth kepping an eye on. Good luck finding shot birds though!

If you take 3 million people in, how would you propose to get them out again if you changed your mind?

You need to read Brittania Unchained. Raab, Truscott, Patel, and the people who support their vision of turning Britain into a free marketeers Utopia are not Conservatives with a small c. On the contrary, they are out and out revolutionaries who have gained control of the country, using the Conservative Party as camouflage. Unfortunately, so many people in the country were busy looking leftward worrying about the bicycle riding Momentum that they failed to spot the juggernaut of right wing revolution coming from the right. And now it's here. Why not? It'll change the country far more than Brexit. And it's irreversible. But you won't get a debate. Priti Patel and her friends think the British are 'the worst idlers in the world', and the Labour party won't hear a word against immigrants. Rock and a hard place...

Today's Telegraph says 3 million.