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2 minutes ago, Gordon R said:
I was hoping that you would know it without recourse to that. Just ask the BASC rep.
I have the statement and i have quoted from it multiple times on these related threads. i am confused why you feel i have any more insight or interest in any more insight into this subject.
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10 minutes ago, Gordon R said:
Mickeydredd - thanks for the accurate quote, rather than lancer425 citing figures without grasping what they meant. It would have been nice to know what the outcome was in the 75 cases.
Could that information be found out via the freedom of information act.?
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5 minutes ago, Mickeydredd said:
Avery is correct however, there is nothing anyone can do as the JR is a legal process that a judge will rule on. The whole WJ approach is based upon legal challenge.
And costs a great deal of money to counter such challenges, money BASC can not afford to waste on elements in their sevices Like the subject matter of this very thread.
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1 minute ago, Rewulf said:
Im beginning to think you have some kind of mental issue, for that I feel sorry for you.
Otherwise, I would try to curtail your insults, or you might well find yourself quietened.That is a direct threat.
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1 hour ago, Rewulf said:
Even avery and his WJ cronies have the measure of BASC.
'BASC is probably under considerable pressure from its membership to ‘do something’ about Wild Justice’s potential further legal challenges of the general licences and actual legal challenge to gamebird releases. But there’s not a lot they can do except huff and puff.'
https://markavery.info/2020/02/26/basc-is-a-hapless-bystander/
They "WJ" just need to be important and be recognised. That how they exist, they have to stay centre stage .
Shame on you for ever giving them air time here. you are exactly what those vermin need to keep afloat.
some mupet like you dishing A pro shooting organisation, By promoting their case. You are a disgrace.
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4 minutes ago, grrclark said:
We will certainly get nowhere unless we try.
There are many proceedings taken up against the police from all quarters and tht action is what drives change, quietly giving in achieves nothing.
The defence for BASC, then appears to be, it's a bit difficult so best not to try. In the meantime let's publish a glossy magazine and talk big about what we could do, we have a 7 figure fighting fund by the way. (Caveat, we wont probably wont fight anything unless we are certain we can win) Let's support a campaign of potato crisps that taste of game, that is what the voice of shooting should be heard to talk about.
They did what their advice said. not saying i like that or disagree as such, but they did what they did and had the legal advice to support their actions.
could be a good use for any fighting fund, ASK them. i would dearly love to see the police licensing tail feather trimmed. but IS IT POSSIBLE? suggest it to BASC, or ask for a more detailed explanation.
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2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
You dont really know what youre talking about do you ?
Of late ? Its been questioned since inception.
Yet gun ownership goes up, and recreational / legal gun use has had new life breathed into it, by NRA inspired training and competition.
To compare BASC to the NRA is like comparing a rubber dinghy to a battleship.
One bobs about and does nothing much, the other gets the job done, and doesnt get messed with.No sir it is indeed you who has no idea what he is talking about.
Playing verbal tennis with some geriatric half whit on a pigeon shooting forum trying to educate the same pork is hard work. forgive me if i offend here but if the cap fits ya wear it. .
5 minutes ago, Rewulf said:OMG youve countered my argument so err effectively , youve shot me down in flames man..the humanity !
You.Have .Lost .The .Plot.Im done with you.Cheers.
Roll over suits you fine.
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8 minutes ago, clangerman said:
hands up any shooter who didn’t want legal action on the gp letters farce please
I deffinatly did want BASC to take action, but they went with their legal advice and fair play to them. we are where we are and not down to BASC or its lack of action, but down to the powers of the police and the legislation / guidance they are using and how they are interpreting it. no one has an answer to the police problem no one.
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4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
Actually , no I wouldnt.
Id rather them lost, than give in without having a go.1. BASC categorically oppose a lead ban.......BASC feel a lead ban is the only way forward.
2. BASC oppose any more controls on private firearms ownership....Lever release and MARS systems banned...50 cal nearly, 70 people in the UK rejoice they can keep them.
3. BASC lobbys for 10 year licencing , as a counter to more grant/renewal restrictions......Gets nothing.Need more ?
1. be great full they tried, you can not defend the indefensible. Lead is toxic and its WELL DEAD.
2. we live in harsh times, be great full 50 cals did not go too.
3. He shoots he did not score. HAPPENS.
Bring more LOTS MORE.
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10 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
Of course, I understand that, litigation is there to prevent matters getting to court by resolving the matter outside of it, but that isnt what we are talking about here.
There isnt any litigation, there is an organisation that has had its members challenged/encumbered, and it has basically asked its legal team 'How much is a challenge to this going to cost 'us' potentially ?' (Note the 'us' )
Then a sharp intake of breath later, and ' Ooh ! , that much ? , best leave it then'Rinse and repeat.
The NRA keeps its core values and yields results, thats why they have the membership they have.
To say they are struggling is complete rubbish.The US also has the 2nd , but you left that bit out for some reason...
But it is not rubbish, the US is losing its grip on gun ownership, The black guns are under scrutiny and the state system mean its not all states but a gradual erosion over time. and The NRA in the states comes under just as much criticism over there as BASC does here if not more so.
the second amendment its self has been questioned of late something never envisaged in the history of America.
They are in a much stronger position than we ever have been, and a long long way to go to reach out level of despair. But not without a growing critique, that is making more of an impact now there than it ever has historicaly.
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2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
Of course, I understand that, litigation is there to prevent matters getting to court by resolving the matter outside of it, but that isnt what we are talking about here.
There isnt any litigation, there is an organisation that has had its members challenged/encumbered, and it has basically asked its legal team 'How much is a challenge to this going to cost 'us' potentially ?' (Note the 'us' )
Then a sharp intake of breath later, and ' Ooh ! , that much ? , best leave it then'Rinse and repeat.
And if they had decided to go for a challenge and lost, you would have been baying for blood along with all the other usual suspects.
BASC can not win, do nothing WRONG. Do something fail WRONG.
Do something Get it right. OH! well done BASC. But generaly with the caviat of Pitty they did not do so well with X OR Y. .
PS sorry to use the XorY here. but i did ask you guys for examples but any forthcoming the doctors letters example we easy answered.
Any more for any more. What did they do.?
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Just now, clangerman said:
at last we have the CORE message from shooting organisations submit to bullies roll over and suck it up what a disgraceful message to young shooters give in raise the white flag if i followed cowardice like that i would have lost my tickets years ago
FIGHTING BATTLE COWARDICE WHITE FLAGS. give to a good old bellows pump with THE YOUNG SHOOTERS.
lets not hold anything back here hey?
There is only so much any shooting organisation can do no matter where they are in the world or how big a membership or how much money they have.
The NRA in the states huge ny our standards, and even in a pro gun country struggling to hold on to shooters rights, even if we would never want such rights to do our sport on these shores.
Basc can challenge what they stand a chance of winning, to expect them to go against their legal advice to challenge the doctors letter etc. is unrealistic.
Debate here surrounding the core point of this thread is long exhausted. If your not happy with their decision tell them.
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6 minutes ago, Scully said:
Then just what exactly are people paying subscriptions for? They promote themselves as the ‘voice of shooting’ yet won’t take up a challenge. Advice such as ‘keep a low profile’ or ‘dont comply’, and in doing so leaving the shooter to the whims of authority, amount to the same thing, an inability or unwillingness to act lest it cost them money.....members money!
We pay our shooting organisations to oppose unwarranted, illegal and biased agendas, just as you are doing with then in your challenge of NE policy. Or does it just apply if you’re a wild Fowler?
The evidence and instances of BASC’s Ineffectiveness and inability to act is far too commonplace and compelling for even your blinkered attitude to ignore.
Advice in all aspects of shooting third party insurance . Support assistance and representation for wildfowling clubs and others. that would run up considerable costs if done outside of BASC year on year. I have just highlighted a few of my reasons here but there are many others.
I think i get my moneys worth easy, if i did not i would leave.
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10 hours ago, Gordon R said:
Perhaps BASC should have mounted a legal challenge to the Doctors' letter fiasco. Perhaps they could use the money that was to be used for the insurance they just ditched.
Re the legal Firearms cover element. it was not required by many, 1 in 1000 and even then only 1 in 2000 got taken up. out of theose adopted how many were successful ? the element was nice aspect of BASCs package but given the figures is it prudent use of funds. / they obviously did not think so, and i tend to agree with them. YOMV, in which case complain to BASC.
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2 hours ago, Dave at kelton said:
It is not a matter of blocking free speech it is a matter of blocking offensive and inflammatory language. It is not about this councillor’s views but how he has expressed them. Well done BASC on this point.
I remain a supporter of BASC but it does need to address the numerous clangers it has dropped over recent months. As it is not about what you do but how you do it and some serious thought needs to be given to how policies are formulated, expressed, and communicated to the membership.
This^^^^^ and again well done BASC , you have to feel for jack charltons family. How must they have felt reading that, disgraceful statement.
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56 minutes ago, Mickeydredd said:
They took legal advice on whether they would have a chance of winning or not. They were advised they wouldn't.
This is the case BASC folowed their legal advice.
We are where we are , "DUE to the incompetence of the POLICE" in their handling of simple straightforward cases From Ryan hamilton and Atherton and others others.
They had all they needed to prevent these atrocities, but the POLICE fail, demand more laws knee jerk reactions of ill thought out amendments to the 68act the 89 etc. we are where we are today. .
BASC or anyone else is in a no win situation with the Firearms licensing in this country today . There is no answer to the police / firearms licensing issue. We are where we are accept it and go as long as the police allow us too.
no shooting organisation in the world can deal with the UK police they are just too power full . No way out i am afraid.
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So there is just this on failing then.?
If not give me another?
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22 minutes ago, Scully said:
Ok, you’re trying my patience now, and it has to be deliberate given BASC’s history of failing to deliver.
If this is a game you want to play I fear your judgement of my integrity is misplaced.Weigh up all that us shooters have lost as opposed to all that which we have gained in the last forty years. Be honest and don’t treat me like a fool.
I do not mean to offend you, honestly. I would sincerely appreciate it if you gave me any BASC failing. even one will do for starters. Shooters have lost much, most of it down to knee jerk firearms legislation after hunger ford etc, but BASC. Please give me a failure.
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17 minutes ago, aberisle said:
For the foil section of the wads you are making could you use this ?
It is adhesive backed so it might save you having to glue the ones you are doing at the moment
That is a good idea and you would be winding it glue to glue it would be good and solid and way less mess than my carpet adhesive.
Wrap it round and cut it then tape it up with the foil tape and into the plotter paper. but you would be making just the length of the rolls width. look into the varrious widths i supose. Good idea thanks.
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6 minutes ago, Scully said:
Serious question? Are YOU serious?! 😀
You must have been a bit further away than NZ if you can’t recall any of BASC’s failings! You can’t have missed them all, surely!
There’s more than one person who has compiled on here, a list of BASC’s inadequacies, or instances of failures to have any impact on encroaching legislation or infringements which impact the very shooters they claim to represent.
It isn’t a record anyone in their right mind would find acceptable, let alone fund.i am deathly serious scully. OK if you could just jog my memory then. ?
I mean it i never saw anything they did wrong as i remember and i have a good memory . Just give me something to go on. Please.
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To explain why i term s7 grit blast shot indicast. probably 10/ 15 years ago in the states, i think it was precision sold cheap indicast shot as they labelled it, i was told from a souse i respected when he was alive, it was just grit blast s7 etc, so i tend to term it as INDICAST. just saying.
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You can screw them in and out with a cheap webbing oil fillter removing tool. and a ratchet. You can make a leather one and wrap it on to itself they will undo like that with nothing more than a pair of mole grips to grab the leather. no damage because its just the strap around the tube no crushing or scuffing from and grips etc.
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1 minute ago, Manish said:
where do you get your indicast shot and powder from mate??
I got 100KGs a few years ago from MCANTS near dinnington. they have been bought out called C**** now, just type in steel shot abrassives many will sell you S7 its slightly harder than soft iron at around the 110/ 115 DPh. but its not a problem re pressures etc.
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10 minutes ago, Manish said:
With any luck this year i get into it. I have a press but thats all
Decent set of scales then your off. Just do some duck loads to start with use old clay ground once fireds and order you wads etc in and away you go.
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Have you any evidence to back up this statement please.?