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I imagine he just pushed it in the easiest way he could it being just by way of illustration of size, using clearly a used hull getting it in the right way past the distortion from the old crimp would have been a faff .

They never made it that far, they found lead in them and again the next season and gave up. Dealer will not buy ducks with lead in them, once that they knew Shooters were breaking the law they lost all trust. With non tox they will start to appear, as they should have been doing before.

AS i remember it blair singed to the AEWA in 1999, not sure if it was before or after The EPA 99. Imagine it will be after but do not remember. All i remember was there was a trial period if you like, not that we could buy any ammo anywhere. But Talk in the magazines back then, the HUT at BASC the Run up count down to blast off in Robin Scot’s sporting gun. MOLYSHOT. It was "wild". I remember it came in on the first day of the season, will be 21 years this September the 1st. I had read the advice i had no open choked guns , so i picked the oldest cheapest gun i owned and Reamed out all the choke. I can remember that gun Now a Remington 1100 TRAP . I went down the river on the first clutching a box of LYALVALE hunting steel 32gram of 4s. We had bought a slab the afternoon before first in the shop split it between five of us. I can remember my first shot with steel like it was yesterday, the sky was that deep blue you get just as the sun starts to rise, out of the Myrk i saw a movement, focused in clearly the shape of a mallard on it bang. it plummets down dog is on it and he is on his way back. Dog gets to me Birds legs are going 20 to the dozen, i despatched it. in the game bag. Picks the gun back up, cartridge out my pocket feeds it in the mag... WONT GO IN , looks its too dark to see so stands up faces the just emerging sun, and in that light can see the rim of the second cartridge in the mag. It had not cycled the action enough to release the next cartridge never mind eject the case. Gets lighter ducks everywhere i effectively have a single shot, i dare not load more than the one, i did not want it bumping one out the mag and locking up under the bolt. So emptied the mag, ran it one at a time, it never ejected one of 11 cartridges i shot that morning for 8 ""Limit" Teal and mallard . Good news? Not really i think out my bag that morning roughly 50% were quite alive, i do not mean just twitching a bit needed despatching. I walked off that morning, with the other two and we were all agreed WE HAD A BIG PROBLEM. I shyed away from steel for about another five months, i had bought ac few kilos of the little 3kg round tubs of Bismuth from eley. Through an eley rep called brian, forget his second name now. That bot loaded up in my sp10 BBs and in duck loads. My first positive experiences with steel were Blue dot and M92S relads and Gamebore supper steel factory loads. We had no real run up, it was just not an option . today the Run up to change has way more options many of them well known and tested already, known quantities if you like very different to our brave new world back then, full of doom gloom doubt and misinformation. If you look AEWA was not ratified untill 1999.

Wild duck as encountered in typical coastal wildfowling, tend to be harvested and distributed by individuals rather than in more significant numbers taken by larger organised shoots. And most wildfowlers will only take what they need and use that bag themselves , and perhaps donate just the odd bird to friends or neighbours. Wildfowlers would never unite and harvest ducks in the way shoots do, their quarry is indeed "WILD FOWL" it would be both logistically difficult and they would not do it anyway. Out as much as you can take what you need enjoy watching the rest.

In theory yes, BUT the 70mm loads wadding "remember they are full length bucket wads." Might encroach on any crinp you reform, you do not want the mouth of the wad wrapped in the crimp anywhere this tears sections of the crimp off and bumps pressure up "lots" So you need to trim the hull and the wad, Really but suppose its doable, but hardly practical.

I did not know that and i am unsure as to if the AEWA and Blairs signing it , could have interfered with that or not. Have you any thoughts on this.

I thought you might.

Just look at pigeons i can sell every one i shoot with steel, but my buyer trusts me. I did not tell him i was shooting them with steel but then have him waste his money only to find they were full of lead year on year.

We need a product first without any LEAD in IT.

Both LEAD & NON LEAD are the results of the highlighted in that order. .

The fact is nobody wants Lead shot birds, they do not trust us when we Should have been using lead we were busy breaking the law. They did not like this, We were told to change our ways. We promptly ignored that year on year. and they Now do not trust us on anything. Who can blame them, they do not want lead in the birds they buy, we need to stop using it then shoots can utilise the revenue from the harvest, rather than waste it. All this brought about due to a stubborn reluctance to change the type of shot we use to kill our game birds. WHY? Its ridiculous.

No not if you do not want to. But interested in my NEW REGIME. But do not expect you really had anything worthwhile to include regarding that either.

NOPE? Pray Explain .

open end down over powder.

I see anyone who opposes your view is a Zealot.

When i was there. 12 and 10 were non tox even 16s and 20s were all lead. distance from water etc all played a part, but the small bore were under review more or less from the start. Last i heard they were loosing 20s but not sure about others these days, or how it all ended up. Do not think they got it all easy over there. they have not. You view it as a poor atempt to justify, and yet i see it as an educated guess, and i think they got it pretty much spot on.

No figures AFAIK but come on they were everywhere foe decades. Not RARE . Brilliant actually. Base all my Bismuth Copper and marix on them, always have.

The winchester supper xx loads were produced on machines, they were fairly complex wrapper buffer in the wadding and card seal etc. still got done just fine. Out cartridge firms are greedy want money given for little input felt loads bang a wad in its done. That is what we got here now. Cut open an old eley magnum just look at the wads in those. The fibre wad premium is just not earned today.

I guess you meant to say "BOUGHT" & "LONE" if that is that case, may i suggest." YES abroad. "

Not incessantly, there could be no reason up to 9mm anyway.Not 100% how they will interpret or word things obviously but i think you will find You can still use Lead in waterfowl in this country on the foreshores in Guns UNDER 9MM. I am not 100% but think if any Non lad ban was to come such guns would be covered. Rifles under 9mm could fall into this category. There is something about single projectiles too in an act, i think its in the 81 wildlife and countryside act, IMMSMC.

Yes a tube with no base and straight onto a nitro card under it with seal or minimum a op card works. My thoughts on making card cups is to get a suitable sized cartridge tube, by that i mean if loading a ten for example, 16ga paper cartidge case fit a dowel cut to length to allow a couple of 3mm cork spacers un to the dowel, then a 16ga nitro card , the nitro card wants to be the exact depth with the spacers and dowel, to be a perfect crimping depth. Then crimp start and crimp the scrap 16ga case cut to length and pull the dowel out tip the two 20ga corks out and you have a formed card cup, with a crimp fold to act as a sort of cush, yet a hard solid base nitro card. You could form a similat card cup with a RTO layout, this would have no fold to contend with and the void inside the roll, could be filled pretty much perfectly with a 20ga nitro card, with that method. New casec powder it up Cork seal, nitro card then your formed card cup add shot charge crimp form crimp you just made a round. IFF the card cup is up to the task that is. Might be able to make suitable tube from. CARTRIDGE PAPER. Or greaseproof paper. I thought about aluminium fail Too, & laminated aloy foil and card in plys with adhesive male it in full lengths cut to what you need and formed as i described above. All Untested, but just cut a case in half pull the top off see what you think.

Right Mick what is your problem with these bullets exactly. ? Where does it say in any laws we can not keep using lead in bullets,? and where exactly in the Voluntary ban are bullets mentioned? Has phasing out lead ever been tabled here yet? If so what is wrong with barnes ?

Certainly wont be as much sold as there is now, if we do not move away from lead. Its thast old T junction again. Left "sinister" Lead or Right "Dexter"Non tox. WE THAT IS ALL OF US , have the future in our hands chose carefully. Your choice.

Why BASC. ? What about the others? . Who else has any other options out there to solve the issues we face. ?

Oh they are conected all around the world. have a diy kit too. its rife and a real problem, we have gone way beyond LACS and the PETA in the states these days. They love themselves are motivated even united.