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BASC will be doing all they can, remember The UHWC Use alternative representation. It could well be they have continued this trend with this situation.

Gentlemen!. we are Debating the shot media equivalent of the merits of a 3.5hp lawnmower to a 4hp lawnmower. They both cut grass. Steel is here its working brilliantly , use it forget the specific gravity numbers just go out and enjoy the sport.

BASC might not have had the option, Ken Arkley is UHWC who have used alternative representation historically.

67s give a broader use, incorpotating 2.5 inch guns as well as still having room for typical 70mm loads even bigger loads. like the old dan arms mini mags in the 67 case from the late 80s. 70mm is the hull of choice in typical 12s today, but 3 inch gaining ground with non lead and why most new guns have 3 inch chambers compared to the equivalent models 10/ 15 years ago being mostly just 70mm. Manufacturers are incorporating 3 inch to increase versatility/ appeal.

But i do not think they have been woth anything for 25 years or more, its not like its a recent thing. And what is more its not been brought about by non Lead either. Doable and most probably with an untrimed wad if the right powder was used with a suitable case volume/ performance. the thing is, if it had been a area lots could be sold as sugested, the cartridge manufacturers would have been all over this like a rash. but there not, and this indicates its not a big requirement. Reload if your running anything no longer mainstream, big bores have been doing this for decades now.

This. ! Do yourself a favour and get some different ammo. The express hunting steel in 12 at least is average in performance in my opinion. I have Tried it in several guns and it and Hull steel are por performers compared to super steel or most other factory steel. never used any express 20 steel, so you might be ok. This is my opinion might i add, some others might disagree but me i would not use the express hunting steel if i could find an alternative. The Gamebore super steel 20 ga, in 21 gram is a surprising little cartridge, have a look compare it to the express.

All we need to find now is tens of thousands of 2.5 inch game guns.

Good to know, and in that case thats the way i would advise the OP goes. I like the .675 in the INV +

As for my way of thinking SX3 great , SX4 not so good. First day out mate lost his bolt handle, never to be seen again, It started playing up with in weeks on light loads. then broke the piston spring. then it lost its replacement bolt handle. He took it back in it got allegedly repaired, it came back bolt handle was tighter to remove, and seemed to be fine, first day into a 5 day trip to inverness, it lost its third handle. Took it into a gunshop up there traded it for a new 3 inch hatsan escort which he still has and its still on its first bolt handle and yet to give one single issue. SX3 yes but SX4 no ill pass on the SX4.

I had a Laporte swing trap and i used many different subsonic loads including some with fast burning red dot powder, and i never had a single issue with the trigger inertia tripping. Try loading a heavier load, but it could be the mechanism is short of some maintenance and cleaning. .

The briley chokes are a good option, and work great. another option and available through BROWNELLS UK . Carlsens waterfowl choles. they do a two choke set and a 3 choke set, these are a good choke in INV plus. Another option is of course the Kicks high flyer. these work well in inv plus and many like them, i am not a fan of ported chokes myself, but must admit the kicks do work well. Other options from the states can be involved in importing. But Terrors Indian creek Jebs etc all very good, but not easy at moment to import, might be easier in the post brexit trade deals once they are worked out. Brownells UK for carlsens . https://www.brownells.co.uk/WATERFOWL-CHOKE-TUBE-SET-Waterfowl-2-Pk-Beretta-Benelli-Mobil-12g-Mid-Long-Range-CARLSONS-12-Gauge-Mobilchoke-Long-Range-Mid-Range-155000244 winglocked for kicks high flyer. https://www.wingslocked.co.uk/ If you can get one shipped herevia friend etc. Jebs. https://www.jebschokes.com/choke-tubes/ Indian creek. https://indiancreekss.com/ Muller. "UFO" https://mullerchokes.com/pages/home Possible get mullers from JUST CHOKING.UK. Terror chokes Hard to get here currently, rumours out of production etc. "COULD BE ". http://wadwizard.com/waterfowlhunters.htm There are terror choke copies doing the rounds , from northumberland North yorkshire and Notinghamshire, and no doubt other places.

PAH! none lead ! is what lead Advocates dreamed it was.

If i could have just one round, the .2506 is hard to beat. its the king of the varminters and yet deer capable and flat shooting. I love the 2506.

As above.

It wont be a shot media type that's for sure.

Two decades and counting. and the lead shot waterfowl debate still rages. It has to be a record. Never has so much fuss been made over something so trivial as a shot media. just move on 1/3 of my life watching such debate is growing old.

Thanks Conor.

Gamebore rhino steel 10 loads are good value for money.

The WJ inclusion in this article is pure BS, propaganda on WJs part/ or their advocates. who wishfully think its a WJ gain. this is Natural England and its typical of Tony juniper and his ilk, they saw a chink latched on withheld consents , with no obvious in house ability or resources to effectively undertake any review of the magnitude required. Basc are well versed in consents and no doubt looking at ways to bring this to a suitable conclusion. i think its a huge home goal for the Tony juniper reign at NE, he is not getting much right. and the government have not got enough money to suffer fools gladly. We need to wait and see what comes in the Natural england response, but i think they look in a Embarrassing position.

Possibly indirectly WJ, but it could be straightforward once BASC know what is expected, we can only await further developments.

Can we please have some input from the PW massive on what we are actually allowed to watch and what not. He said in video we can have a TV but not watch live TV. what constitutes live TV. Is like gold with old only fools and horses etc, Live or not. Is it I for one would need more help with the more detailed points please, and i am pretty sure i wont be on my own in this. As said can we have some detailed insight please on what is actually involved. ?

Thanks for that. There may be trouble ahead. ! Tony juniper was never going to be impartial. it would be nice to see him dismissed but i doubt it will happen.

A question for you all.! The news media handling brexit / corona virus "Worldwide" and Now the Race/ Not race / rent a mob riots / demos "Worldwide. . Is it time the News media had its wings well and trully clipped . For the sake of preventing civil unrest. ? I do not think the CNN/ BBC or any other left wing media, is having a positive effect on proceedings . In fact i would go so far as to say the opposite its actually inflaming the civil unrest. Are the people of the world grown up enough for real facts, or do we actually need feeding a controlled dose of well filtered news media in order to protect ourselves from ourselves.

2 clubs refused consent, would love to see reasons why they were refused?