bradaz11

no I haven't. didn't even know you could still get them, I'll look into those too

I'f im cutting the crimp off a case that is that length, and the roll crimping it, it won't be the same length after firing, but the complete shell would be roughly the same size. yeah, theres a lot of bloops and pook's from the guys running blackpowder cartriges. I may just have to bite the bullet and try other brands.

when I say not extracting / ejecting, I mean reliably. it will do it, but not reliably. I used to use eley select lites in red hulls, and they came out ok, but now the white ones are about the same as the lyvales. this is why i'd like to try roll crimp as other members get good results

I have a very early Winchester 1897 shotgun, and at the moment I feed it lyvale Express super light 21gs, but these never seem to extract right. they cost £50 x250. I was told by a few club members to buy heavier cartridges, dump some shot back down to 21g and then roll crimp them, as it should give better extraction. is this mental or a good idea? looking at cartridges, it looks like £50 is the best price anywhere for them, and I can't even see anywhere local to me selling them where I can see a price online (bristol area if anyone can help there). but this isn't about saving money, I know it's going to cost more, but I also don't want to spend out hundreds of pounds on shotgun cartridges trying to get them to work and winding up with the same issues if there was a more straightforward approach by tailoring them to me. as all those I can buy seem to be star crimped, the only roll crimped shells I see are 2" shells or blanks, and I keep being told roll is the way forward in my gun, If this was a good idea and safe, how would I go about it, as it looks like I'd need longer cartridges? as 65-70 is for usual length, am I going to have enough material to roll crimp after cutting off the end of the star? as I understand it, it is not dangerous to lighten a load, it is making it heavier where the problems occur. that's how americans like taofladermaus and demolition ranch were always able to safely reload their weird projectiles.