cheers lads i will give him a bell,it looks like the type of thing im looking for,ive got the chance of 1500 acres of rough shooting up in the otterburn area ,syndicate of about 10 with several duck ponds ,only trouble is it is not stocked and for the near future no birds can be put down relying on present stock and birds from other shoots,plenty of rabbits but no ferreting or lamping ,if anyone knows the area hard going on rabbits without ferret,cheap enough .............but you cant beat a day on the pigeons