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udderlyoffroad

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  1. You’ve clearly ignored my point again and just quote invective rather than engaging with the subject at hand. What would you charge the officers with – (murder isn’t an option), and we’re all ears as to what your doctrine would be for dealing with suicide bombers.
  2. You seem to be labouring under the delusion they weren't hauled before a public inquiry Yes. Yes they are. Same, incidentally, all PSNI officers are (who are 100% firearms trained). You're really not getting this are you: how, exactly, did they 'mess up'? They seriously believed they were dealing with a suicide bomber, they followed authorised procedure to disable him. Procedure is not "put your hands up mr suicide bomber, please, and don't touch and/or release that trigger" Procedure is to immobilise immediately, and hope that the resultant twitching of the body does not cause activation of a trigger device. If you can come up with a better doctrine, we're all ears. No, no I do not.
  3. I shouldn't bite, but I will. What about Cressida ****, who authorised the procedure? What about Clangerman's intel guy who mis-identified him? Murder all round? Ever heard of guilty beyond all reasonable doubt? The officers truly believed they were dealing with a postively id'd suicide bomber and followed the authorised procedure. If that results in a murder charge in your universe, well good luck making that stick in the real world. And following that, good luck getting serving police officer to volunteer for firearms duty.
  4. That is indeed what this thread is about yes. The chief of the met has 'asked' for this power (or rather immunity from prosecution). It has received almost universal condemnation. Positive discrimination is held by most people to be a contradiction in terms. Frankly, London is now, at 9million-odd people, a country in and of itself. They can do what they like. After all, they just re-elected Sadiq Khan.
  5. I said authorised, not ordered. In any case, you've completely ignored my question, what would you charge them with? Dragged before a public inquiry? Interrogated by QCs? Hounded by the press? Again, same question, what prey tell would you charge him with? Mis-identifying someone isn't a crime. Oh please, that's what you worry about when your beloved first born goes to the big city? Because it's happened so many times before and since. Not the fact he's orders of magnitude more likely to die from an actual terrorist attack? Or even a traffic accident, or some scrote pushing him under tube train?
  6. Righto, but here's thing, I suggest the RUC->PSNI transition as part of patten and the Belfast accord, and the quota to recruit more Catholics, is probably the exception that prove the rule that positive discrimination is a bad thing.
  7. Closely reflect, not match. Indeed, according to wiki.... So without researching further, the legal framework by which to recruit from both sides of the divide was baked into the legislation forming the PSNI.
  8. Wow? Really? On a shooting forum? You do not use lethal force in a non-lethal manner. ‘Shoot to kill’ is pure Hollywood - it’s never said because everyone knows that there is no such thing as (deliberately) shooting to wound or disable. As someone who goes shooting, this should be known to you. This forum comes up with some belters occasionally, but this thread takes the cake. Although admittedly, most posts on this thread appear to be supportive of the police response, and moreover recognise that a deer stalk bares very little relation to this scenario. An ARV carries a team of four – so 20/4 =5 shots each, of a suspected suicide bomber, and all were on target? Where exactly is the problem? Of course you can, but you might at least base your comments on something other than Call of Duty or the oeuvre of Bruce Willis. You’ll sound like far less of a plank. As for the JC DeMenzes argument – what exactly would you charge them with @ordnance Following procedure? They were told that a confirmed suicide bomber had got onto a train and they were authorised to 'disable' him. The fact that he had been mis-identified as such, was a massive f-up, but charging the team who pulled the trigger is very wrong. In case it wasn’t obvious, procedure is not that you give a suicide bomber a chance to detonate. It wasn’t widely shown on UK news, but an actual (would be) suicide bomber had been disabled in Spain the week before – the bomb squad had to disable the device on the body of the wearer, after they'd shot him. If you must charge someone, charge the senior officer who gave the authorisation on that day, based on poor recce/intel. One Cressida ****. What became of her I wonder.
  9. Policing, and indeed employment law are both devolved matters, I believe.
  10. Less than 3 weeks to go folks, and the usual suspects are starting to ramp up their excuses for why we shouldn't end all restrictions on June 21st. This on a day where we've had zero deaths, 25m odd people are 'fully' vaccinated, 38m odd with their first dose. Even on a 'normal' day, more people die falling off ladders, down stairs and on the roads. The NHS is still effectively the National Covid service, with the BMA and NHS England engaging in disgraceful shenanigans to ensure GPs have see as few patients as possible, face to face. Can any lockdown supporter defend any of this? Julia Hartley-Brewer put it best: "This is over when we say it's over." It's quite clear that the public health professionals are hopelessly addicted to the endorphin release conferred by their new found status. They will not be giving up with out a fight. It's going to be an ugly summer.
  11. Always assuming you only ever commute on days when the weather is nice, but not too nice, so you don't arrive at the office a sweaty mess.
  12. Then why not keep an eye on the various homes and shelters local to you? Start researching the hoops you have to jump through to meet their adoption criteria. Yes, I understand the 'inheriting someone else's problem' aspect of a rescue, but if you haven't got the time when you're retired, when will you? You don't need a some kind of FTW/FTCH to retrieve the odd pigeon. Many a mongrel is entirely capable of being trained to a suitable standard, just depends on the owner putting the hours in. Anyway, I got my mongrel, sorry Springador-Lab Cross, a couple of weeks before lockdown no 1, and I paid £500 for him. Which I thought was a bit steep. But he has bags of potential to be an excellent dog for the type of shooting I do (mostly rough with a few mornings on peg at our DIY syndicate). The only thing holding him back is my inexperience as a trainer.
  13. Nail. Head. Frankly, I wouldn't drive in Bristol without a dash-cam these days. Used to be because (a minority of) cyclists. But now you can add baked students riding e-scooters to that list. Sad reality, but I consider it essential to protect my liberty. Seville has some incredibly narrow and crowded streets, are the Iberiens just more chilled about this?
  14. Some people enjoy de-railing threads with straw-man arguments...
  15. Yep. But whilst this silly and potentially counterproductive requirement exists, might as well have some fun with it.
  16. It's genuinely baffling to me how many have 'had a good war' and are in no hurry to get their liberties back. Well I used to not understand, but the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that people are just selfish a-holes.
  17. He's talking about the change in the T&Cs that got everybody so aeriated a couple of months back, not the Whatsapp group setting. The former didn't apply to the UK, I honestly can't see the problem with the latter. Any bad actors already have your number, just block them.
  18. Absolutely; other than new applicant face-to-face interviews, there's really no reason for any delay. The rest of the world has adapted and been expected to maintain similar targets, why are the public services somehow exempted?
  19. On what basis? Surely then you have two sets of keys to manage, two installations to get right, etc... That said, I bought this 8-gun in 2018 and have been impressed with its quality, and I was just about able to manoeuvre into place by hand alone (twice now, moved) - which might be easier than wrestling with a huge 16 or 20 capacity model. 2 smaller cabinets also might easier to conceal from casual visitors to the house than one large one. Might be something the OP wishes to take into account.
  20. If you come home late from shooting, be it a clay competition, or pest control, are you really going to want to wake your daughter up so you can put the gun away? I don't know what you were inferring, but if it's what I think it is....says more about you.
  21. But not so concealed that it's a PITA to use, and therefore might not be used. More than a few certs have been revoked due to farmers getting complacent and just leaving their shotguns hanging about the house, because they don't want to peel their work clothes off and go upstairs. I don't speak fluent Northern, so I don't know if 'our lass' refers to your partner or your daughter, but I hope the former, and you're not proposing to disturb your daughter every time you need your shotgun.
  22. You're totally maladroit about my sentiments: The BBC's editorial approach to Corona and their left wing bias is not somehow mutually exclusive. The job of HM's Opposition is not, as the name suggests, to oppose the government on principle, but rather to hold the government to account. On this Labour under Keir Starmer has resolutely failed. On your contention that the BBC is doing this job instead, again it's a hard no from me. If anything, they toe the same line 'lockdown faster and harder' and are wise in hindsight to the point of nauseousness. Never, as I stated above, do they ask ministers about the other side of the coin, i.e. when can we have our civil liberties back? Indeed the BBC's editorial approach to the pandemic provides more evidence of their metropolitan chattering classes bias, and how it's increasingly completely out of step with their viewers, not less. I wouldn't get your hopes up. Certain media types are quite open about the fact they want to kill GBN with incessant complaints to the regulator. Who will be obliged to investigate, and will doubtless rule against GBN. Just look at what ITN (channel 4 news) gets away with on a nightly basis, and tell me you have confidence in OFCOM to allow the alternative point of view to broadcast. Because I don't. GBN won't last a year - and this is despite the fact there is very clearly a gap in the market. Advertisers will pull out, and anyone who has vaguely right-of-centre leanings has probably long since given up on broadcast television.
  23. Huh? You must've have been listening to a different BBC than me. They have mongered fear per Ofcom's diktats relentlessly. Their 'questioning' always follows the lines of why we didn't lock down faster and harder. Once, just once, I'd like to hear a BBC journalist balance this line of questioning with questions about when civil liberties will be restored, or whether anyone in government has performed any sort of cost-benefit analysis with respect to lockdown (human lives and money).
  24. I wonder where I've heard this flawed line of thinking before....oh yes, I know: Cummings will find work aplenty in the media, a la Campbell. And @Rewulf's cartoon is spot-on, in his cack-handed way Cummings is doing more to hold the government to account than the opposition.
  25. Not here to defend Boris, but: You cannot get away from the fact that we are the lardiest nation in Europe. That has lead to the death of many people. Fact. It's not 'fact' until a proper judicial inquiry establishes it as such. Something which many on here poo-poo'd. At the moment it's only your opinion
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