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Perhaps you thread them on to string so that they spin when shot - plinking etc… ? That’s just my guess, in other words I don’t know for sure…🙂

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Classic BBC response - quoting LACS as though they are a credible balanced organisation…. ?!

Yes I’ve heard of shoots paying the game dealer to take them. I think however these are extreme examples and in my experience they pay - albeit pennies. At least they somehow get used.

If people are prepared to make an effort - the shot birds will end up in the food chain. I know one game dealer who pays peanuts for birds and sends them to Belgium in a refrigerated unit. Obviously transport is costly - hence small money for the birds. Apparently the Belgian recipient then distributes the birds to outlets across France and Belgium.

Yes agreed - reasoning important.

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Done - but we need a lot more!!

Yes understood. I know it’s satisfying to help someone, however you may not know him well enough. The only way to be sure is to contact firearms for your area. As we are all too aware, standards and protocols vary widely from one area to another. Sorry that doesn’t give you a definite answer. Your firearms dep’t should though.

I was asked to give a character reference for a teenager intending to use a .22 rimfire (with his licence holding father). My brief was that I should have known him for a period of more than 2 years and that it was unlawful to knowingly mislead etc etc. In my case I was happy to do it as I know the family well. My only advice is don’t do it if you’re not sure - i.e unless you absolutely know they are of ‘good character’. That’s all I can offer.

Look on the bright side - it’s good for numbers and add’ revenue……😁. There’s alway a positive.

I know - I have already acknowledged this. I noted the effect your contribution made, rather than suggest you shouldn’t have one.

Yes - rubbish, rude and patronising you say. Well, thanks for taking a look at the big picture ….😁. Don’t take it all too personally Gordon. I’m sure we all have much more in common than you think.

Fair enough Rewulf. You are entitled to your free opinion (and that’s something none of us should take for granted). I may disagree with you at times, but it is never meant to offend, and I apologise if I have inadvertently done so. I would still urge caution however - to all those who have become deeply embedded in this issue. Pull back and take a helicopter view of the whole big picture. How does it look? Equally there are much more important matters to address.

Everyone who doesn’t agree with you is either ‘rude’ or ‘patronising’…..?! Really, come on Gordon. The really strange thing is, that if we all met on a shoot day or wherever, we would all have our various opinions, but would most likely get on well having one greater thing in common: a passion for shooting. On the wider subject. One of the main problems which makes this whole discussion utterly futile, is that two enthusiastic and opposing opinions are at loggerheads. The ‘antibascs’ shall we call them, are engaged in a hate campaign, and appear to be attacking with any angle they can find (false or otherwise). The route cause of this vociferous attack appears to be blame culture - i.e the belief that BASC (and only BASC) are responsible for removing lead ammunition from our way of life. Neither of these theories are correct of course - as 1) we are still using lead and 2) BASC are not solely responsible for a suggested phase out. Against all the financial figures supplied, to still insist upon an itemised receipt for every threat fought by the fund, (right down to a second class stamp which may / may not have been used for someone’s mother’s birthday card…?!) is clearly beyond rational pursuit now. A much greater magnitude of threat, is the insidious gradual creep of politics and society towards an anti firearms culture - and the presumption that all firearms (licensed or otherwise) must be tarred with the same brush. I think Scully raises a vital point, in that the main enemy of our community is apathy. That is to say, so few licence holders responding to the HSE questionnaire or writing to MPs etc - in other words getting involved. After observing this thread and taking part in some of it, I have come to the conclusion that we are ‘fiddling while Rome burns’. The real threats are elsewhere. In the big picture, the only tangible outcome from this ugly noise, is points scored by those who appose our lifestyle, in terms of the own goals provided. If you need a parallel example, look towards Scotland and the current SNP debacle. I don’t expect everyone to suddenly play nicely. I think that’s asking too much after certain contributors have become heavily invested in their opinions. It doesn’t help that the ‘antibascs’ have become emboldened by a certain PW moderator’s bias. He is entitled to his opinion of course, but it certainly fanned the flames. However, it would serve our wider purpose for us all to just stop and think for a while. Is this the dreadful stink what either the antibascs (or indeed the bascs) want to emanate from our community? I am certain that those who oppose or even hate BASC will be typing furiously already, as they see me as wearing the opposite team’s colours - and that’s a shame. Those individuals must know by now, that I’m not phased by being typed at ….. 😁, but I hope some may view my comments more as a voice of concern for the future our (OUR) community.

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I only have to inform them when I cook….😁

Perhaps these Turkish 410s (Kofs, Yildiz, whatever) are OK for occasional use, but might not stand up to extended heavy wear….? If they introduced a steel action 410, I would be keen. Not sure how the ally actions will last in the longer term. I know there are 12s and 20s with steel actions. Perhaps the 410 next - hope so.

On one shooting ground I took out the youth coaching Kofs 410. Club guns get used and abused - so a good test. In other words, how do they fare after all the punishment? After a year or so of being hammered, it wasn’t in good shape. The top leaver was reluctant to move and wouldn’t easily return to the closed position. The trigger was rough and the second barrel would sometimes refuse to fire off (I wasn’t hanging on to the trigger). So in short, not impressed. I ended up buying a Yildiz.

Interesting. There is some chatter about more people being tempted to go through the process if (and if?!) this S1 thing comes to fruition. From a personal perspective, I do a lot of shotgun shooting. I’m also very lucky to have access to various farms and estates. I often get asked to sort out a fox, and on one land area I’ve been offered the roe deer. As rifles just aren’t my thing, I politely decline, usually asking a friend to take the rifle work. If a person like me was remotely tempted and the S1 was imminent, I’m sure it could tip the balance. There must be more in my situation. As for my betting joke, I wouldn’t bet on a horse either…… or any certainty re the S1 for that matter. It’s swirling around the dark waters of politics now. Anything could happen.

I don’t think it’s been suggested that rifle grants would be an immediate function of a new S1 system - moreover that people may be tempted to own a rifle and be prepared to go through the grant process. Glad I’ve given you a chuckle. My crystal ball however is a little less clear than your perfect future teller…?! Got any tips for Cheltenham?

Some good points. I don’t wish for it in any way, shape or form by the way. I’m just ever curious, as to what the downstream consequences might be.

1. Conspiracy theory: the belief that there is a sinister secret plot against you - often irrational and unproven. 2. Agree (for once). 3. Different to you’re original assertion, thanks for explaining all the same. Good luck and keep us posted. Hey Rewulf, we definitely shouldn’t book seats next to each other on a long hall flight…… 😄 You have to see the funny side, well I do.

The question is: will people be encouraged to find a good reason (?), especially if their fees are similar to the current Firearms plus SGC, i.e the cost and basic principle are equal. This is currently part of the debate and has been mentioned by others. I can’t claim originality on this one, but curious as to what others think.

Yes - another net based conspiracy theory. They’re very trendy these days. Your content? Well, that’s your responsibility, although you will find on an open forum people are free to disagree with it. Perhaps in railing against BASC’s finances, you expected to cause a great tidal wave, like Carl Bernstein uncovering Watergate. Instead, there’s hardly a ripple as the great reveal hasn’t happened. We’re still waiting for the financial evidence - well?