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Sorry I’m missing the point here. Why would pheasants contain anything other than lead shot? It’s perfectly legal and legitimate.

The gun’s point of impact is determined by its fit - i.e stock dimensions relative to its user. You can decorate the barrel (or barrels) with whatever you like, it will still place the pattern where the stock dictates, presuming a consistent mount. Perhaps a higher comb raiser might be more helpful, so you’re sight picture is over the top of your mod’. I would imagine this would give a pretty high shooting pattern. Perhaps experiment with adding cardboard and masking tape layers on the comb until the pattern plate results suit. Once you have the desired comb measurements, you can engineer a more permanent solution.

Hi Conor, Thanks for clarifying. I think the 410 needs more than an ‘extended transition period’ as this caliber is a vital youth entry gun. It is also essentially a lead dependent gun - as steel pellets large enough for game/vermin shooting just aren’t a practical proposition. Equally, other heavy metals are prohibitively expensive (bismuth and tungsten). If this caliber isn’t protected by ‘derogation’ it will become the dinosaur of the gun world, wiped out by a catastrophic financial extinction. Can I urge you to raise this with BASC strategists please?

Those big loads of 4 (which are usually continental and closer to a 3) are pretty useless for the tall stuff anyway. They have very sparse patterns at range - not many pellets in them. A good 30 gram 5 (UK size) is a really capable load. I’ve seen it kill very good birds many a time. Of course a lot of people use severe chokes for average ‘tree toppers’ and that’s completely unnecessary also.

Yes that’s a help.

Thanks very much.

Thanks for that. Yes I have heard similar re this year’s prices - hence my questioning the £6 to £7 quote. Any news re prices from anyone - please chip in.

I’m being asked to pay somewhere between £6 to £7 per poult this year. I know the prices have risen….. however…..?! Has anyone else been given a price and how much please?

Equally concerning - is that they don’t have a clay ground shooting frame around them for safe direction. I’ve seen too many close birds shot, but also unsafe birds. A strong 1 to 1 word of advice is often needed.

Unfortunately there isn’t an effective alternative for the 410 - other than horrendously expensive Bismuth or Tungsten. The use of these expensive heavy metals would preclude most youth access via the 410 route. Steel pellets large enough to be practical just aren’t feasible in this diminutive caliber. It is these ethical and cost factors which played heavily in to the NZ scenario - also the relatively low volumes of lead as a percentage of the whole national/annual shotgun projectile weight. This is obviously dominated by the larger bores. I appreciate that the UK has distinctly different hunting culture and practice, however the basic support for a youth entry caliber represents a strong case. I do hope that if common sense ever prevails (??) we can avoid the financial extinction of the 410. Indeed 👍

Hi Wimbey, thanks for that. While your angles of thought are interesting, I was picking up on a point made above - saving the 410 by adopting New Zealand’s approach. Perhaps there is hope….?!

P.S I know this ^ doesn’t address the original post, but following other contributions I believe it to be an important matter in its own right, and it has been raised as a priority several times on PW.

Hello Conor, I have been reading this thread with interest, and without joining in the frenzy of BASC bashing, would like to emphasise support for the New Zealand approach. In particular their evaluation of the 410 and its vital supply of lead ammunition to support youth entry in to shooting. New Zealand is a well respected democracy and their evidence based approach to ammunition has been pragmatic and unsullied by political posturing. A derogation of this kind - and not the proposed extended stay of execution - should be pursued by BASC et al with great vigour and determination!! Surely there is a deal to be done.

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Sounds marvellous - of course the food always tastes better if the shooting is going well….?!

Ha ha 😆 well done! You normally have to pay for that kind of service. I hope the picnic table cloth and wine glasses are up to standard….?!

Just answered my own question by looking it up - it’s 1.9 lbs compared to 5 1/2 lbs for the lead acid type. A big improvement!

How much does it weigh compared to the lead acid type?

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P.S have a look at Nickel Metal Hydride (NIMH) also.

Sorry for the late reply Centrepin. I have been waiting to speak to a pal who is a Rolls Royce turbine engineer - an expert on electrical goings on. He has recommended a Lythium Metal Hydride battery which is much lighter than the old tech’ lead acid ones, and with the same output. This could be what you’re looking for. I am told you also need a dedicated recharger - i.e not the lead acid type charger. Feel like I’ve had a proper school day……🙂

Just a thought. I wonder if Teagues need a more frequent tightening because of the tapered key. That is, it’s not likely to tighten the chokes to the same degree as one which has teeth fitting in to choke inlets - e.g the standard factory Berreta or Browning set up. I think the only reason I don’t notice the difference is because I’m in the habit of frequent tightening…..?There you are - my two penneth for what it’s worth. Enough thinking for one evening……🙂

I’ve never had 12 bore chokes of any kind that don’t work loose - with enough cartridges fired. They all need a quick tightening now and then. I haven’t noticed that my Teagues loosen faster than any others. As a side note, my Yildiz 410 chokes never budge. Must be due to less recoil / vibration.

Thanks for that - didn’t know they were selling them again. I bet they cost a king’s ransom….?! I remember when using them years ago, it was hard to make the pattern spread, i.e they were very tight patterning. I’m sure this was due to them being denser than lead. I ended up using cylinder chokes. Even then, they would kill ducks at good ranges.

The earlier (first launch) hevishot was unevenly shaped - with lumps and bumps etc. They then changed to the ‘waist banded’ type pellets afterwards. Both were denser than lead and tumbled ducks out of the sky very well indeed.