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  1. I think the most sensible suggestion above is - walk away. If it’s been ‘worked on’ then an experienced gun smith would have to inspect and rubber stamp so to speak. Please don’t take this the wrong way but you don’t have the experience/knowledge to assess for safety yourself. 

    There are so many decent inexpensive semi-autos out there, steel proofed, multi chokes and 3” chambered - all the bells and whistles. Some also have shims for fitting. You can often try out one or two used ones at shooting grounds….just a thought….?

  2. 3 hours ago, Bigteddy1954 said:

    Hi just a question on cartridge price and differences .just been on just cartridges and compared a clay load to a game load 28gram 7.5 fibre wad .to a hi-flyer 28gram 6 fibre wad these are eley.same cartridge length same pay load as in 28 grams I know that the shot size is different but how can they justify nearly £100 difference .  Cheers teddy

    A little tip. Buy Italian 7 1/2 clay loads with 2.4 mm shot. It is actually a UK 7 and brilliant for pigeons (and crows). As for shot size 6 and above……. yes the price difference is highly questionable. Manufacturing volumes may excuse a £10 or £20 increase, but not £100 and more. 

  3. The OP may want bangers to use in conjunction with shooting. During the summer I tried to buy bangers to stop pigeons settling a few fields away from where I was shooting. I couldn’t buy them anywhere. I tried all the usual farm supply stores and more. 

    I’m sure if he needs a person to make loud bangs - which cause pigeons to tumble from the sky - invitations will follow………?!

  4. I was quoted £50 for RFD transfer. So we’ve established that the cost (so far) ranges from £25 to £50 with £37.50 being in the middle. I would say that £45 isn’t hugely over the top….. and greatly cheaper than burning time and fuel on the road. There’s my two penneth ….. if it’s any use. 

  5. 17 minutes ago, harkom said:

    This above is what bsac has relied on amongst the membership - apathy, reluctance to question the executive's agenda on the assumption that "they must be right" : and add in  the executive culling any elected appointments who disagreed with their programme. Grumbling behind closed doors - if it happened at all - should have been frank open discussion and perhaps best of all a member vote on lead usage.  The membership now find themselves where they are --- yep, up bsac creek without a paddle.

    I think you may have quoted me out of context harkom. I was never in favour of silencing any debate, but moreover having a better standard of debate, which shows us in a better light. My suggestion was to engage in the more heated stuff privately. I agree with you that a ‘frank and open discussion’ re members views is always beneficial. 

  6. 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

    The 'heat' as you refer to it, usually comes from one sides complete inability to answer a simple question !
    Me . Ill answer any question I know the answer to, to the best of my knowledge and without prejudice.

    And this is the crux of the argument/debate, BASC NEVER asked the question, it has allegedly 150,000 paying members, many of them placed their trust in BASC ,and many of them have a vested interest, often a financial interest in shooting sports.
    Yet BASC never saw fit to ask them what they thought, about a 'voluntary phase out of lead shot for live quarry' they just did it.
    Did they do it because they thought thats what we wanted, because it very clearly isnt, judging by the responses on various forums.
    Did they do it because it protected BASCs business interests/model, because it clearly does.

    Conor, on this thread magicked up some figures where it looks like everyone is ecstatic about using none lead cartridges, yet you struggle to find any real world people who are happy, so is this spin, deceit ?

    And when the heat becomes too much , he retreats back and asks people to use PM to discuss it further, leaving the public arena so it can be debated in 'private'
    What cant be said in public ?

    OK Rewulf, I appreciate the points you make. 

    Happy hunting and have a great Christmas. 

  7. 20 minutes ago, Konor said:

    The only non shooters concerned are the vocal minority who are determined to see an end to all field sports. 
    If and when lead shot is banned they will move on to another target to hasten the decline of a way of life that they have no stake in.

    You’re correct in that it’s a minority - however some of this minority have considerable influence and following. Ask yourself the question: will they be pleased with this infighting debacle (and make the most of it) or pretend not to notice?

    The Pigeon Watch moderators appear not to guard reputational interest. A few thousand more views on a hot topic will increase add revenue. That’s just a platform reality these days. However we could all do a better job in having these discussions more privately. Or just agree to disagree more respectfully. Alright…alright…. I may have gone too far there in my last sentence….. 🙂
     

     

  8. 9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

    Depends who the 'others' are , 99% of non shooters wouldnt make head or tail of what we are discussing !
    The other 1 % would think 'storm in a teacup' because it doesnt matter to them in the slightest .

    If we are to believe that this exchange casts us in a bad light, then its the pro BASC belligerents they would think were the aggressors.

    These things need to be aired and discussed, it would be handy if it was conducted without insults, but most of them seem to come from one direction.

    Its hard to stop and look around if you’re still in the heat of the argument. Also, everyone in the brawl always says it’s the other chap’s fault. Still not a great look for those witnessing however. I’m not honestly sure what percentages of non shooting onlookers we have and I don’t know of any empirical data re their opinions. I only know that they do look in - probably more than we imagine. 

  9. 15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

    I disagree.

    Questions have been asked (again) the questions are valid , but are met by a wall of indifference and non answers, when pressed, the insults start from the usual pro BASC suspects.
    Its by far, not a professional way of conducting a public debate on this very important matter.

    Lets be honest, BASC set themselves out as the spokesman for this, so they should take the flak, and the credit for the way its handled.
    Its members pay for the privilege. but the rest of us have to deal with the consequences anyway.

    Come out of the internet ‘rabbit hole’ and take a helicopter view of the whole landscape. How does this debacle look to others? 

  10. 3 hours ago, ehb102 said:

    @Rewulfhas a good point. I went into discussions with a BASC representative in good faith. I have never been treated so rudely and with such incompetence. A refusal to engage with the issue, to reply to the questions, to even acknowledge the points being raised. "Take this or leave this" was the answer. So to anyone namecalling BASC critics, we have good point and good reason to be unhappy. 

    I can understand the level of angst (I really can), but it’s just getting dreadfully ugly I’m afraid. If there is to be virtually no moderation, descending in to the online equivalent of a pub brawl, is not a good look for shooting. Who hit first or got their pint knocked over becomes entirely irrelevant. 

  11. Everyone is entitled to their opinions of course - and if members on PW hold official statements to question then so be it. I have had my say on this matter and others many times. However the tone and language being used on this occasion does not platform the shooting community or especially PW in a favourable way. It is this kind of ‘behaviour’ (not the points being made) which needs to be moderated - and urgently. 

  12. You could also try joining a good wildfowling club. Often a member of the club will show you the ropes - especially re safety and tides etc. They will usually want you to have some gun handling experience first however. This is best achieved by getting some clay lessons. To be honest, you wouldn’t hit much without some practice anyway. The most vital prerequisite of course is that you are granted a shotgun certificate. Good luck!

  13. Another vote for Yildiz here. Ive had a Yildiz 410 for a couple of years. It’s had a few thousand cartridges through it - and similar for the previous owner.  Still going strong. They benefit from a good clean inside the action periodically - but there again so do most guns. 

  14. 1 minute ago, Mr.C said:

    Buy something cheap. 

    After a year you'll have a repeatable gun mount. You can then, if you're still keen, buy something that might fit you. 

    …… and something that will hold value. 

  15. 38 minutes ago, Bradvinnie17 said:

    I been looking at mirokus seen a nice Beretta for 950 was mint, but don't want to spend that much, il keep looking around I held a miroku mk60 I believe it was felt abit bulky compared to the Beretta, I'm still waiting on my licence I'm in South Wales and there's a hell of a back log at the minute so plenty of time to save up and search for the right one 

    Yes - the dreaded backlogs….!! Great to be contemplating your first shotgun though. Exciting times. You could always get some lessons in the mean time and try a few different coaching guns. 

  16. 14 minutes ago, Bradvinnie17 said:

     

    I do like the look of the kofs but if they are not that good there's no point, Ive looked at the used ones above too, I just thought I'd like something new with warranty don't really want to spend more than £600 to get started 

    For that budget you’ll easily get started. Most experienced folk would usually recommend a better quality second hand gun. Speak to a few trusted gun smiths (who have seen it all) - as distinct from out and out gun sellers. At £600 you’re almost in to second hand Miroku territory. They have an excellent reputation. Plenty around. As you’re likely to move on to other guns in the future - a good resale value is also important. 

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