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3 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
The 'heat' as you refer to it, usually comes from one sides complete inability to answer a simple question !
Me . Ill answer any question I know the answer to, to the best of my knowledge and without prejudice.And this is the crux of the argument/debate, BASC NEVER asked the question, it has allegedly 150,000 paying members, many of them placed their trust in BASC ,and many of them have a vested interest, often a financial interest in shooting sports.
Yet BASC never saw fit to ask them what they thought, about a 'voluntary phase out of lead shot for live quarry' they just did it.
Did they do it because they thought thats what we wanted, because it very clearly isnt, judging by the responses on various forums.
Did they do it because it protected BASCs business interests/model, because it clearly does.Conor, on this thread magicked up some figures where it looks like everyone is ecstatic about using none lead cartridges, yet you struggle to find any real world people who are happy, so is this spin, deceit ?
And when the heat becomes too much , he retreats back and asks people to use PM to discuss it further, leaving the public arena so it can be debated in 'private'
What cant be said in public ?OK Rewulf, I appreciate the points you make.
Happy hunting and have a great Christmas.
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20 minutes ago, Konor said:
The only non shooters concerned are the vocal minority who are determined to see an end to all field sports.
If and when lead shot is banned they will move on to another target to hasten the decline of a way of life that they have no stake in.You’re correct in that it’s a minority - however some of this minority have considerable influence and following. Ask yourself the question: will they be pleased with this infighting debacle (and make the most of it) or pretend not to notice?
The Pigeon Watch moderators appear not to guard reputational interest. A few thousand more views on a hot topic will increase add revenue. That’s just a platform reality these days. However we could all do a better job in having these discussions more privately. Or just agree to disagree more respectfully. Alright…alright…. I may have gone too far there in my last sentence….. 🙂.
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9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
Depends who the 'others' are , 99% of non shooters wouldnt make head or tail of what we are discussing !
The other 1 % would think 'storm in a teacup' because it doesnt matter to them in the slightest .If we are to believe that this exchange casts us in a bad light, then its the pro BASC belligerents they would think were the aggressors.
These things need to be aired and discussed, it would be handy if it was conducted without insults, but most of them seem to come from one direction.
Its hard to stop and look around if you’re still in the heat of the argument. Also, everyone in the brawl always says it’s the other chap’s fault. Still not a great look for those witnessing however. I’m not honestly sure what percentages of non shooting onlookers we have and I don’t know of any empirical data re their opinions. I only know that they do look in - probably more than we imagine.
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15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
I disagree.
Questions have been asked (again) the questions are valid , but are met by a wall of indifference and non answers, when pressed, the insults start from the usual pro BASC suspects.
Its by far, not a professional way of conducting a public debate on this very important matter.Lets be honest, BASC set themselves out as the spokesman for this, so they should take the flak, and the credit for the way its handled.
Its members pay for the privilege. but the rest of us have to deal with the consequences anyway.Come out of the internet ‘rabbit hole’ and take a helicopter view of the whole landscape. How does this debacle look to others?
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3 hours ago, ehb102 said:
@Rewulfhas a good point. I went into discussions with a BASC representative in good faith. I have never been treated so rudely and with such incompetence. A refusal to engage with the issue, to reply to the questions, to even acknowledge the points being raised. "Take this or leave this" was the answer. So to anyone namecalling BASC critics, we have good point and good reason to be unhappy.
I can understand the level of angst (I really can), but it’s just getting dreadfully ugly I’m afraid. If there is to be virtually no moderation, descending in to the online equivalent of a pub brawl, is not a good look for shooting. Who hit first or got their pint knocked over becomes entirely irrelevant.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions of course - and if members on PW hold official statements to question then so be it. I have had my say on this matter and others many times. However the tone and language being used on this occasion does not platform the shooting community or especially PW in a favourable way. It is this kind of ‘behaviour’ (not the points being made) which needs to be moderated - and urgently.
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This is a disgraceful mess. Everyone who shoots in Wales should apply to NRW for individual magpie licences. Who hasn’t got a red lister knocking about? We all have let’s face it. Then it’s a simple matter of renewing annually once granted.
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You could also try joining a good wildfowling club. Often a member of the club will show you the ropes - especially re safety and tides etc. They will usually want you to have some gun handling experience first however. This is best achieved by getting some clay lessons. To be honest, you wouldn’t hit much without some practice anyway. The most vital prerequisite of course is that you are granted a shotgun certificate. Good luck!
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1 hour ago, Cjbram said:
Just ordered a yildiz 28ga it will be hear Friday so I can go play on Saturday 😊 😃
Enjoy!!
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Another vote for Yildiz here. Ive had a Yildiz 410 for a couple of years. It’s had a few thousand cartridges through it - and similar for the previous owner. Still going strong. They benefit from a good clean inside the action periodically - but there again so do most guns.
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2 minutes ago, button said:
No matter how straight forward something is I always manage to make a dogs dinner of it, hence why I pay professionals
🤣😆 👍 Wise words.
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Steaming the wood and refinishing is fairly straight forward. It would have to be for me to get results - as I’m certainly no gun smith. You have to give it plenty of heat, but make sure the cloth doesn’t get dry. A touch of wire wool and a good stock oil - that’s it.
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You could look at it this way. Whatever the cost of a new barrel set, it will be an absolute bargain, because your current barrel didn’t blow up. I know someone who wasn’t so lucky.
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1 minute ago, Mr.C said:
Buy something cheap.
After a year you'll have a repeatable gun mount. You can then, if you're still keen, buy something that might fit you.
…… and something that will hold value.
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38 minutes ago, Bradvinnie17 said:
I been looking at mirokus seen a nice Beretta for 950 was mint, but don't want to spend that much, il keep looking around I held a miroku mk60 I believe it was felt abit bulky compared to the Beretta, I'm still waiting on my licence I'm in South Wales and there's a hell of a back log at the minute so plenty of time to save up and search for the right one
Yes - the dreaded backlogs….!! Great to be contemplating your first shotgun though. Exciting times. You could always get some lessons in the mean time and try a few different coaching guns.
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14 minutes ago, Bradvinnie17 said:
I do like the look of the kofs but if they are not that good there's no point, Ive looked at the used ones above too, I just thought I'd like something new with warranty don't really want to spend more than £600 to get started
For that budget you’ll easily get started. Most experienced folk would usually recommend a better quality second hand gun. Speak to a few trusted gun smiths (who have seen it all) - as distinct from out and out gun sellers. At £600 you’re almost in to second hand Miroku territory. They have an excellent reputation. Plenty around. As you’re likely to move on to other guns in the future - a good resale value is also important.
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You’ll get answers from people who have had problems and don’t like them - equally problem free use and thumbs up. When I was choosing a youth 410 it was basically Kofs or Yildiz. I looked at both types being used and abused at shooting schools. Long story short - I bought the Yildiz. A few shekels more but worth it. As per other recent thread, they need a deep clean (action and all) from time to time. If looked after they seem to perform well. On a completely separate note, you might also wish to consider a used Lanber, Lincoln, Bettinsoli or similar. These tend to be affordable/reliable and simple to repair if parts wear out. Good luck and welcome to the world of shotgunning.
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I have picked this up late - but here’s my experience for what it’s worth. I have had the exact same problem with a Yildiz 410 and it was very straightforward to resolve. The second trigger pull relies on a falling block which is gravity operated - so no spring return. This can get ‘gummed up’ (technical term…🙂). Sometimes the manufacturing grease etc doesn’t help either. Just take out the but pad screws then use an extended 10mm socket to remove the stock bolt. Carefully tease off the stock. Give the action parts a damned good clean. Make sure not to leave excess oil in there - wipe on then wipe off. Put it all back together and it should (🤞) work fine. Most people think there’s a fault but usually there isn’t. The workings inside the action are simple and all the better for it, however they need to be kept clean.
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Another vote for Grisport boots here. I don’t have the keeper ones - mine are essentially walking boots. I’ve given them a serious battering over the last couple of years and they’ve held up well.
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I have at times seen large flocks of wood pigeons flying over the hills in Northern England and the borders - one after another. All flying in the same direction. They were far from any suitable feeding and seemed intent on some distant other place. Once on hilly ground I shot a couple that were just low enough. Most though were a very long way up - well out of shot. My guess is that these birds were migratory.
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I would agree with the above. The challenge you have, is that a little single barrel 410 is light enough for a ‘littley’ to handle, but recoil is unpleasant (for them at least). A double barreled 410 is weighty enough to soak up the recoil but is awkwardly heavy for them. If their arms get tired in a few seconds it’s no good. So there is you’re catch 22. It’s great that she’s showing interest, but there may be a couple of years to wait yet for shotgunning. Don’t worry, an air rifle on a bench will be marvelous fun for your daughter - and dad of course!
P.S In addition to balloons try milk cartons filled with water. They seem to enjoy watching the water spirting out.
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I once owned a Gold E sporter. Lovely guns in many respects. I just couldn’t get away with the thick comb. Probably just a personal gun fitting thing. I really liked the handling dynamics. It was well balanced. If it fits you (and I mean properly) then I would definitely go for the Gold E. They were very well made.
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6 hours ago, London Best said:
Does nobody still use rubber thigh waders?
I only ever had two pairs throughout my wildfowling days, which lasted more than 25 years.I remember those - proper Indian rubber. They lasted for ages. Arrived treated with chalk dust to stop them sticking together. Not made anymore sadly.
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15 hours ago, Smokersmith said:
Gravel guards stop the mud.
Ive been on this solution for around 15 years now, and normally get around 3 years out of a pair ….
Yes I know what you mean re gravel guards. They help. I’ve been using stocking foot breathables since they were a thing. They’re great for walking big distances. For me it’s not walking through mud which is a problem, but more a mixture of mud and water - above ankle deep. It leaves a layer of fine mud inside - despite the guards. Not so bad in just mud alone. It doesn’t do any real harm, but gets a little messy when taking them off. The mud inside the boots isn’t big deal breaker for me, but the prices have got silly, especially as I wear them out a lot. When I look at them, there appears little expense involved in manufacturing. The margins must be huge, especially Simms, which I used to buy (I use other brands now). I also find the PVC types easier to wash down when they’re caked in mud. The fine fabric texture of the breathables is harder to wash off. Both types will tear on sharp ice and need equal caution. There you are, I don’t think there’s a right or wrong choice, it just comes down to personal preference and terrain. That’s my wader ramble for what it’s worth. If anyone has stayed awake to this point, we’ll done……🙂
BASC response to HSE lead ammunition consultation
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I think you may have quoted me out of context harkom. I was never in favour of silencing any debate, but moreover having a better standard of debate, which shows us in a better light. My suggestion was to engage in the more heated stuff privately. I agree with you that a ‘frank and open discussion’ re members views is always beneficial.