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  1. With CSB0 44x44 44grain under 44 gram in a federal case cx2000 primer and RSI wad . This load was tested at the time i can not remember any more details but did use it extensively. By the way did crimp my loads. Could use this as a starting point for a load with the components you have, with the caveat of getting it tested. Blue dot and steel loads do exist but i dont use them, but in lead from memory i used 42 grain card seal felt wrapper buffer and 2 1/8 oz, give you something to start with.
  2. Calling them off at any point is essential, start on land retrieves and progress to blind and water retrieves, important to get it into the dogs head the retrieve is yours not his and you decide if he is allowed to complete that retrieve at any time in the proceedings. I heard tell of a springer lost at Hawkins point on the Humber in the early 1970s down to not being able to call it off. went out never to return. The thoughts of this scared me enough to instil control on retrieves, allowing a run in i will acept to help save a bit of time, but calling off a retrieve in my view its a must right from the off.
  3. Do not let us be classing allowing a dog to run when you want it to , and being able to call it off reliably at any point, with a dog that is not steady to shot. Unsteady to shot and a dog running in with any and every shot fired is unacceptable .
  4. Running in in wildfowling dogs is frowned on, but ALLOWING a dog to run in can give a dog a head start as an example lets say a fast flowing river . Running in like this still has to be under control, as in you have to be able to stop the dog any time you want, and certainly calling any wildfowling dog off a retrieve at any point is essential in my view. As dogs get experience they only go when they know they need to, as long as you maintain control by checking them on random retrieves when it suits you, ALLOWING them to act by themselves with reservation can in fact help.
  5. ched case 3 1/2 inch cx2000 A steel 32 grain B&P 44 5mm felt 20ga (or if no felt could try cork undershot ) 620 grains (40gram) of USA BB steel about 100 pellets compress on shot 80lbs(MEC) pressure 12810 PSI velocity ( claimed) 13600FPS Off a guide in Manitoba. used it last two seasons i like it.
  6. In such circumstances as those i would use a coat too, its not putting risk into the equation, seals are a pain and need monitoring where dogs are concerned. i remember that lad who had to destroy his dog up at the Ythan a few years ago. must be terrible.
  7. I am all for vests in some circumstances, and they have a place as do collars i supose, many is the time i have wished i had a collar on the dog when trying to help them up a sheer mud ledge but sore fingertips from your nails digging into your fingers as you grab the scruff is a small price to pay compared to a twig on a floating stump hooking up in the collar and dog being set for big trouble. I agree its doubtful very doubtful but still personally i could not bring myself to risk it. vests are the same on open tidal flows i fear the worse and dont use a coat in these sittuations its just my choice. On salt marsh like the wash etc on the shore i do use a vest but if i were to shoot the river or up on the edge i would rather my dog did not have a coat on. Its each to his own not saying i am right or even close to it but its what i do.
  8. If BPI accept it or not is not here or there, what will happen is that just in front of the forcing cones abrasion from the tungsten based shot will start by looking Etched/ matt this over time will get worse and eventually become warn its removing mettal in a wad it wont be a problem just leave some plastic fouling right in front of the forcing comes. The choke areas /choke tubes themselves will see similar etching with the abrasive tungsten. Cladding/ plating the ITX with nickel or copper if thick enough to avoid rubbing through in the internal ballistics cycle could in theory prevent contact with the tungsten powder , but even then it wont be as sure fire preventative as a fully protective steel type plaswad or modern biodegradable fibre cup. You do as you like but the smart shooters will walk straight past BPIs and your claims and take steps to prevent that or similar shot from contacting their bores.
  9. Toungsten is supper hard and the polymer or iron or syntered toungsten based shots which ITX is on be it 10 weight or 13 its an abrasive and will do damage to any barrel even a hard chrome barrel if it is used in a non protective wad . you might get away with a heavy maylar or similar wrapper , but its best in a protective cup/ bucket wad like TPS B&P 35 / 32 or similar steel style wadding. to use it in felt or conventional lead style plaswads would be a bad idea if you want to look after your bores. I dont care what you say or what you do but don’t give out misinformation that could lead to some damage long term or otherwise to some one else’s gun. I can not believe for a second you would use any such toungsten based shot in the way you describe , so why put out claims and then slate off what others are trying to say. Its ridiculous.
  10. I agree with this i think mere bore size alone is a relatively insignificant aspect in the full scheme of things. usually fibre wad ammo from the cartridge makers is a paper capped hard fibre wad dropped on the powder and if your lucky a nitro card under the shot charge, gone are the times when klena felts and card seals cork spacers were employed with a little thought care and development, as with The winchester super double x wildfowl loads. Performance between fibre and plas wads is down to the fact plaswads do a better job when dropping a single wad component in a load which suits machines and productivity rather than performance. Fibre wad ammo produced by the home loaders who take the time to do the job properly is a match for any plas wad load, the old supper double X loads were evidence factories could do it right but sadly its rare to see the type of care and attention to detail put into fibre wad ammo by the bulk of the manufacturers these days, they want to charge the premium for fibre but not put the real work in to make fibre work the way it can.
  11. A wounded duck that keeps diving when dog gets up to it can confuse the best dogs, thankfully it is rare but some years ago i called a springer off a widgeon on a fast flowing river when the proceedings were getting uncomfortably far away. sooner rather than latter is always best option in situations which have the chance to turn ugly for the dog, we are there to all come home safe and if that means loosing a duck now and again that is fine by me.
  12. A dogs safety is foremost and right up there with my. own, proper training to call off a retrieve at any point in a retrieve is very important. The dog and you must trust one another and you need to consider carefully any and every retrieve you send your dog out on. I do not work dogs with collars or coats when working in water, i can not wade myself if the need arises. My reason being if dog gets tangled up with any drift wood debris he can not get free would be the end , remote possibility perhaps but one i do not want to contemplate. Dogs can find themselves in trouble just as we can and all we can do is er on the side of caution and offer them the love and care on the marsh they richly deserve.
  13. Not as far as i know, they certainly wont big sellers if they ever were, but four doors quite popular here. I know the XJs in the USA had the 2060 cc renault diesel in them were as we got the bigger VM turbo diesel, no idea what they had in petrol engines.
  14. Never seen a 2 door XJ Cherokee over here, look good. I had a four door with the italian VM turbo diesel in it, was a good vehicle.
  15. Its toungsten based it needs protection for bores, Nice and ITX 10 and ITM are abrasive will effect barrel . Bismuth or pure copper fine shot to barrel but toungsten based i agree with the last two posts, its a bad idea.
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