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Thanks for the info - that's great. Just goes to show then - Thankyou.

Most do not get above 40 percent here. - keep it up.

Some great wisdom there thankyou. Yes I agree with the birds love clean water even if it just open drinkers. We are top of the vermin, but need to invest heavily in seed bearing cover crops. I hope you are having a great season - certainly sound good.

What percentage is the mix in the Wheat ?

So every other day works for you and probably just enough to have it cleared up within 24 hours. What seed mix do you use ? That is a valuable point, as birds like a varied diet the same as a lot of birds. Thankyou.

Thankyou. A Keeper is sure to see this post and provide us all with all we need to know about trail feeding. We all know you only get out what you put in to a Shoot and the Shoot ground needs to be more attractive to the birds than everything that surrounds it.

I am connected with a Syndicate Shoot putting down 1500 Pheasants. At present there are only hoppers and the birds do stray off the Shoot ground more than they should. The idea of a Quill trail feeded in the back of the ATV seems a possible part solution combined with additional mixed cover crops. The person doing the trail feeding need to be paid, so I am asking advice on wether feeding every other day would be acceptable combined with the existing feed hoppers and drinkers there are at present. I know of 1 large commercial shoot with 3 beats that does trail feed 'every other day' but I have no personal experience. Any advice of any kind would be a great help to working towards improving the Shoot.

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Yes

That is exactly what I have seen Teague recommend on several occasions for heavier loads.

I tend to agree and moving away from BG for that exact reason

I have used a 12 all my life exclusively and 20 for last 3 years. I can't see me going back to a chunky heavier 12 even though cartridges are far less costly. Probably put 10, 000 through my 36 year old Browning.

An Estate where I shoot there was a team of 'old money' guns last season and the best shots in the team were using 28G No 6 fibre and those birds were right up there. One gun killed the 1st 5 stone dead. I thought at the time - 'there's a message here'

Interesting, Hull HPE No 6 being a 5 1/2 will of course give you the densest pattern out of several of the leading brands for birds up to circa 50 yards so I will start with them.

No but interesting comments thankyou. I shoot on hilly ground, but even so the vast majority are not a true 50 yards above your head, some are of course and they are not average tree toppers. Hull High Pheasant are true English sizes whereas the Extreme are 1/2 a shot size larger so less pellets per oz.

Yes, I am 100% with you on that, I just can't seem to get away from the idea in my head that heavier loads give an advantage, when clearly I know that they are not ! I do a lot of pest control on Corvids and having shot thousands over the years using 21gram fibre 7 1/2gram I think it is time to accept that heavy loads and large shot size are not necessarily the optimum. As we all know - true 50 yard birds are the exception rather than the rule on a driven game day whatever anyone claims.

Mmm, thanks - I was considering trying those.🤔

Ha Ha - there are not many left now. I have never used those Hull Game cartridges and I am looking forward to seeing how they pattern. Unfortunately locals dealers have none and neither do Just Cartridges !

What an excellent post thankyou, I agree and understood all what you say mainly learnt from yourself and others but this was after I had bought a whack of Gamebore a few years ago. If I had known then what I know now I would have bought a true English No 6 probably Hull High pheasant Extreme. I my experience on the pattern plate, I achieve better patterns at range using 1/4 and 1/2 Teague chokes and 32 gram loads in my gun do not have a recoil issue.

Basically the pattern density is insufficient at the range that the pellets still have enough energy to kill a bird humanely, as a No 5 is No. 4 1/3 - Smokersmith talks about this in detail in : Game shooting - Which aftermarket Teague Super Extended 20 gauge choke combination ?

With the end of the season fast approaching and a fair few new game cartridges launched in 2022, I am interested to hear what others have found to be the best 20 guage cartridges for these tough high flying pheasants at this stage of the season. I have had stocks of Gamebore Black Gold 32g No 5 fibre to use up, but of course the pattern fails early because of the continental shot size.

I have concluded that having given the 32g Gamebore 20 Guage fibre No 5 an extensive trial on pheasants, I plan to move to away from their continental shot size which equates to 4 1/3 to Hull High Pheasant Extreme No 5 true UK size. I would choose the No 6 over No 5 but they are discontinued. It will be interesting to see them on the pattern plate at different ranges with various chokes. Still not have not had time to reload sadly.

After you have watched and analysed a few 1000, it becomes second nature believe it or not.

That is the beauty of a ShotKam - everything can be slowed down and it all makes so much more sense when you take the guesswork/ perception out of the equation !

I totally agree, relying on pure instinct, which is in fact your subconscious mind taking over, although you are not aware of that of course. The subconscious will always beat the conscious mind