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  1. FYI, I went with Country Cover Club in the end, as a non-political option.
  2. Are you saying that overboring only starts to make sense when used with steel & plastic wads? Unfortunately, I'm moving away from plastic wads but realise it might become the norm if we all change to steel.
  3. Continued Gough Thomas’s Gun Book We find the method referred to here On pages 160 to 164 with a simple experiment, he demonstrates that the Burrard method is not completely sound for the reasons we have already given. John Bridle – Shotgun Shooting Techniques & Technology Brindle explains the reality of the pellet distribution. On Page 204 he has something to say about the work of Burrard which is a lot less restrained than Thomas. My choice of Gun From what I have read about the pros/cons overbored barrels, the perceived benefits of lower
  4. Research I’ve read the relevant sections of the books I have access too. I don’t have a copy of Burrard - The Modern Shotgun but the work is referenced in the books I do have. A big thank you to Stonepark for sharing is own extremely detailed shotgun ballistics spreadsheets with with me. I now better understand what I think wymberley was trying to put across: The BASC method I used is fundamentally the same an Burrard’s method, using figures supposedly supplied Roster (who is american). There will always we a Gaussian distribution; more pellets a central 20 in
  5. When I want to look for carts, i use the Just Cartridges website because you can filter for shot size etc and see different prices for what you want.
  6. I strongly suggest buying a single box and testing it before committing to a great quantity. That goes for all brands.
  7. Understandable, no need to apologise. I couldn't ask simply question without expecting being questioned in turn. I couldn't expect to state my reasons without others wishing to state theirs. I will check the excess at some point. For insurance alone, I doubt the BASC offers good value at £82. best answer so far, I sense we are aligned on this matter.
  8. All good points. The secrecy of it all is the worst part.
  9. I set the bar low by limiting the scope of what I want: 'Good insurance, good advice and a little help with certificates should the worst happen' I'm not looking for an org' that will share all my views/interests and lobby for them. I'm looking for one that won't ask for lots of money, then use than money to actively lobby against my interests. So far the suggestions have been: CPSA - £51 Neutral - Not part of the lead ban folly, but not against it either Cons - May become disinterested when a game/pigeon shooter falls into difficulty with the police. Sc
  10. Thank you to wymberley and Stonepark for the detail you have offered. I still have all the patterns. I think I need to go away and do some more reading & calculating before I draw any further conclusions. I'm quite interested in the use of no7, spotted it here a few weeks ago: https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/who-needs-bigger-balls- The idea of using quality 'clay' loads seems to be a good one.
  11. I assume you are referring to the clay cartridges I have for sale. I used a few in the early investigatory testing to check POA/POI making sure we were carrying out the method properly before moving onto cartridges under test. The patterns looked good, we didn't do a pellet count because I have never seen a suggested average pellet count for clays. I can assure you they smash clays at 40 yards.
  12. Thank you. On point 3, are you introducing a distinction between vital area and vunerable area? I.e. Vital area = 3 sq inch Vunerable area = 16 sq inch If you are, it creates a 4th question as to which should be used.
  13. Right, that makes sense now when I read back through it all. There are three issues at hand: 1/ should it be 3 hits on each pigeon (uk), or 6 on average (usa/basc), or should the idea be scrapped 2/ Is the pattern assumed to be even which brings into question the vailidity of a 30 inch over a 20 inch circle 3/ the vital area of a pigeon in sq inch Time for some opinion. What do you do personally when patterning in order to be satisfied that you've done your best?
  14. Quote: The main game-shooting organisations in the UK (BASC, CA, CLA, GWCT, NGO, BGA, and MA) have today released a statement encouraging a voluntary move away from lead shot and single use plastics for game shooting with shotguns. The transition will happen gradually over the next five years. This decision is being taken due to recent legislation discussions in Europe that would see lead banned from consumer products, including game meat. Some UK supermarkets are already refusing to accept game that has been shot with lead, and the European market also buys a large proportion of UK game.
  15. Robust is a excellent word for what I'm after. I've just read their statement, I like it, but I do wonder what they mean by That said, if quantitative and comparative science on lead in foodstuffs comes forward to suggest real dangers to eating products containing traces of lead then, of course, due diligence must be heeded.' My view is simply that where lead is likely to be found, it should be adequately labelled, which as far as I'm aware it already is. There are many other potentially harmful foods & drinks in the supermarket, alcoholic beverages for instance. I can't see how
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