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  1. In the sixties an elderly neighbour used to make his own fireworks with gun cotton. I remember he burned his hands with it when making them. He would put some on a anvil behind the shed and we would hit it with a hammer, when it went of it was a loud bang. I think he used it behind the pellet in his air gun.
  2. Pigeons would have different types of food in their crops this time of the year. The pigeons I have shot in the last two weeks their crops were full with stubble grain or rape. This was in the crop of two pigeons shot about a mile from each other. I don’t know why pigeons are feeding on rape when their are plenty of stubble about. I was shooting rooks this morning and I saw pigeons resting in trees . When I finished shooting l followed them to a small stubble field. The pigeons that rest in the trees in that area would be the pigeons that feed on the nearest rape fields.
  3. Hi jamesleee I use a photon xt . in the instructions on the bottom of page seven ,it’s not recommended to attach cvr640 video recorder to the scope because the recorders not designed for heavy shock resistance. Hope this helps you. If you are going to purchase one l would ask .
  4. Hi mossy pigeons have been on the rape in small numbers for a couple of weeks, north west, today l saw about two hundred on one field. I drove down the field and stood by the hedge on the edge of the field under a flight line from the field. I shot twenty pigeons , two were very young birds, all had a full crop . There was no wind and pigeons still flew to the field as I was shooting, my gun has a low report but with no wind they still landed in the field. This is early for me to shoot pigeons over rape, they were urban woodpigeon and after they have been in large flocks from July they were flying in twos to ten as they flew in. This was from about 3.30pm when I started shooting so l don’t know how many pigeons were feeding on the field earlier. Early December is when the flocks arrive. Maybe they will be early this year.
  5. shotkam asked about speed of 20gauge cartridges. He has had information on the distance that the speed is taken at and a lot of other information. He will ask for information on reloading 20gauge cartridges, l am sure he will get some good advice or where to get information from. Reloading is technical a bit more so with heavy metal pellets. Good luck to him.
  6. I use a semi auto. I’ve not done a lot of clay pigeon shooting maybe ten times including twice this year. This summer my friend suggested we have a go we went to the ground in Frodsham. He made enquiries about times and guns, he would be using a muzzle loader l would be using a semi auto. He was told that is ok and not to use more than 28grams of shot bring your license and come on a Wednesday. The other shooters were friendly and fixed the card on some of the machines for us. My semi is a very lightweight 28gauge no one complained they were interested in the gun until my friend started to load his gun. When we went to pick up my empty cartridges the man who was in charge of the traps said to leave them he picks them up later. When my friend fired his muzzle loader they just stood back and watched the smoke. We had a good day out and went back a few weeks later. Again it was friendly but when I was shooting in front of the office a man said I wasn’t to be using a semi. We thought the rules had changed and my friend asked at the office and was told semi autos are allowed as it’s a practice day. I also shot my.410 pump action no one frowned just a bit of a cheer when I hit two. It may be different in a competition with semis . We will be going back to the ground it was a good day.
  7. Cartridges and guns have come a long way since the test done in the greener book, 1891, but we look for the perfect combination. As said most cartridges fired from 12gauge shotguns will kill pigeons . They just have to be in range and shoot straight . Pigeon shooters tend to look for cheaper cartridges, wildflowers will look for the best combination of cartridges and guns for a longer range . If the cartridges kill pigeons then use them, if they wound pigeons then use them for clay pigeons. Shooting pigeons or any quarry should be about a quick kill . When I used a 12gauge with 7shot it killed pigeons.
  8. Hi shooting woodpigeon should be about field craft and confidence. If you don’t have confidence in your gun or cartridges it won’t help your shooting. Shooters can use 14gram in .410 or 36grams in 12gauge to kill pigeons . The BASC commissioned a university to test cartridges using ballistic gel, the US have used it for years, we calculate the energy in ft lb. Hi Ultrastu this may help with patterns for killing pigeons.
  9. Hi I’ve mentioned before that the pigeons have been flocking up from July for about five years. I’ve seen large flocks in the winter drop from very high onto growing wheat fields that pigeons have been resting on near to rape fields. It’s like when geese arrive and drop from nowhere. The bad winter of 62 to 63 l was shooting pigeons and when I came off the field a man asked could he look at the pigeons I had shot to see the condition of them. He told me in the 50s a flock of pigeons had been seen flying down the coast that was two miles long. He told me people have been watching pigeons on the coast for years and they will fly out to sea and come back further down the coast. We are still watching them now and I don’t think we know much more about them. Pigeons always flock in winter and follow the food supply and a lot of them will be young birds. Each year more pigeons are roosting and breeding in towns and cities and feeding from garden bird tables . In the 50s they would write down how many pigeons they saw and report it. Now they could film them on their phone and call other people in the direction the pigeons are flying and see were they are going to. I don’t know if they still watch them on the coast, they watch them in city parks and ring them.
  10. Hi here is a AZOT Cartridge made in USSR and a Eley bio wad cartridge. The seal looks the same to me. A guess the USSR cartridge could be 50 years old.
  11. Hi yes it’s not new . Winchester 10gauge with copper plated shot. Just looked at my older cases there must be 100 10gauge from over 20 years ago no rust still got mud on them and they look good enough to reload. When the US use bio wads they will be better than ours.
  12. Hi I use Eley bio cartridges in 20gauge . The crimp isn’t heat sealed, there is a cork placed under the crimp. Eley use Maxam powder and l find the cartridges are better at room temperature. Maybe they recommend this to suit the powder and not the wad. If cartridges are submerged in water, steel or lead, with any type of wad it would always be a risk to use them. I’m sure Winchester 10gauge lead cartridges were heat sealed so it’s not a new idea. When I collected used wads from the field on a wet day l noticed they were very sticky after a couple of hours. The wads are flexible and strong. How long should any steel cartridge be stored for, would copper or nickel coated steel be better for storage. It’s common sense to keep ammunition dry, with the cost increasing we will be wrapping it in cotton wool. I don’t think it matters if wads degrade in five minutes or five years. At least we are on the right track.
  13. Hi pete1dart l have films of woodpigeon in large flocks in July and August this year. We can’t manage put them on the forum but here’s some photos from 22nd July 2020 This is just a part of the flight as they passed over. The pigeons are still moving in large flocks. I was talking about this when out shooting with my friend yesterday and we think that it’s the last 5years they have been flocking up from July and August time. We thought the woodpigeon yesterday were flying just like feral pigeons in the same field.
  14. Hi Mellors it is about reloading, it is the reloading section. Reloading has been my hobby since the eighties and l am one of the older generation, four grandchildren and five great grandchildren. I downsize to 28gauge and 20gauge years ago and never looked back. It’s good you are willing to share your 20gauge load, and your experience. I would use phone books for penetration testing. I now use a chronograph and home made ballistic gel.Pellet energy can be calculated on computers now, in the Greener book 1891 they put a live pigeon in a wooden box 6 inch by 7 inch and fired a 28gauge shot gun at it to test pattern and penetration, Cartridges have come a long way since then, and reading the old books they killed thousands of game birds with them and anything that prays on game. I would have thought that the cartridge testing would have been on the new bio type cartridges on the market.
  15. Hi yes pigeons do flock up this time of the year. Over the last few years the pigeons in my area have been feeding in large flocks from July and August time. They will fly over fields with the same crops sown at the same time and just drop on a field and feed. In my experience in my area l will shoot most of my pigeons on the same fields each year. This year was different l shot most on fields that usually don’t have many pigeons on them. Maybe the short wheat is attracting more pigeons and this is why they are flocking . They walk , and (fly) down the tramlines and feed on the wheat, the way they feed attracts more pigeons, this could be why they are moving as a flock. I also shot over oats, a crop that they don’t usually feed on. We have more flocks of stock doves and jackdaws over the last few years as well.
  16. Hi yes I’ve noticed pigeons flocking up more over the last couple of years. I was shooting over wheat drilling’s this week and they were old and young birds in flocks. There was a lot of feral pigeons from a nearby factory feeding on the field and the woodpigeon just followed them back to the field when I shot. The factory is just across the road and I can see them take off from the roof, when they land in the field the woodpigeon came back and landed with them. Two buzzards and two sparrow hawks were flying around the field while I was shooting,they caught one coming in to my decoys and the buzzards took shot pigeons , but the woodpigeon wouldn’t go far before they came back. Two or three buzzards around that field would stop woodpigeon feeding , but not the feral pigeons. The young pigeons I shot weren’t squabs but they were very healthy. It seems like they just abandon a field and all move to the next one but not the nearest one. They have definitely changed feeding habits around me , when the crops are ripening they fly over them to a field maybe a mile away and even when shooting them hard they keep coming to it . I took photos of them this year to show my friend as it’s unusual, I will try and put them on .
  17. Hi Shotkam yes speed does have an effect on the energy of the pellets. When I load cartridges l go with ,the velocity at 50yards would be half of the muzzle velocity. The ft lb at 50yards would be a quarter of the muzzle ft lb . This was my rule of thumb, I load wildfowl cartridges but I have loaded lead number 7shot an ounce or less, a fast load, l didn’t have a crono then so I can’t put a speed on them but they were very fast and killed pigeons. this light load was a lot better than the factory 5s or 6s game type loads. I was given some Baikal 12gauge AAA cartridges, they had a very tight pattern out of my single barrel Baikal ,up to 40yards I don’t think it opened up to 30 inch, It’s about balance, pellet weight and energy for the quarry you will be taking. When pattering your cartridges at 50yards, if you are near a freshly sown dry field fire your shot gun level across the field and you will find the pellets drop about 100yards .That’s 50yards further than you are pattering.You can only do your best with shotguns .
  18. Hi shooting at a pattern paper will tell if enough pellets hit it to suit a type of shooting. Components for making cartridges have come a long way Hard shot and powders to give speed and lower pressure it all helps. Tom Roster does give minimum shot counts , he does a lot of field testing. In the U.K. we use calculators and percentages and ft lb , the US use penetrating test for different quarry. Testing cartridges at this time of the year cartridges should be at the same temperature, maybe room temperature. The US call it the cold weather testing when they test again in cold weather. Wildfowl cartridges are advertised as passing the cold weather test. Kent tungsten cartridges were advertised as passing the cold weather test in US years ago. 20gauge cartridges are limited compared to 12gauge. Testing 12gauge would take a long time, and cost a lot more. There must be over a hundred different types of 12gauge cartridges out there. Shooting at paper will tell if enough pellets get there, l don’t think it matters if some get there before others. Over the years l have seen shooters work on 700 square inches to a 30inch circle and trying to load cartridges by percentages , we have good cartridges and screw in chokes to use now. Shotkam you will find the best combination for your gun. And it will give you confidence. Many shooters will just use the cheapest cartridges, some will use the (best,) and some will use what they have always used. Shooting a few cartridges at a piece of paper might surprise a few shooters. Rifle shooters will zero there guns before shooting at targets or live animals.
  19. Hi Shotkam reloading can be time consuming and addictive. The USA reload more than U.K. They have a lot of data and are well ahead of us. With 20gauge they use ,time to target ,fast speed light load cartridges. Stone park is right about shot size and hardness, its the only way compare different cartridges. The size in mm should be on the box. I don’t think half size of shot will make a difference at 50yards but increasing the speed will.remember that it’s a small lead pellet it’s not going to fly straight for 50yards or more. Try Fiocchi cartridges I don’t know about lead in 20gauge but in steel they are very good, also in.410. Keep at it you will find the best combination for you. Wildflowers keep loading a better cartridge every year ,or hope to.
  20. Hi that’s a nice gun. My friend has a flint lock shot gun, it’s a good sight watching him fire it. He puts fine powder in the pan sometimes it doesn’t ignite and he will change the flint . We once made lead pellets and used them in his gun, this is as basic as you can get. He shot rabbits with the pellets, no mention of chokes or plastic wads. We once shot pigeons across from a large sports field and when he fired the gun the lads playing football stopped to watch and cheered when he fired with a trail of power in the air. He thought they had scored a goal. He would slightly damp the pan with his fingers to help the power stick. Good luck with your gun.
  21. Hi Fellside I’ve used steel cartridges for pigeons for 10years in 28gauge and longer in 20gauge . Yes they do kill pigeons, l changed shot size and chokes to suit the guns. In 20gauge l now use Eley bio steel cartridges 4 shot,I did use them in plastic wad 5 shot . If fiocchi make bio wad steel cartridges l would use them they are hard hitting but high performance cartridges.My son and friends use bio steel in 12gauge for wildfowl, wigeon and mallards. They say that they are ok. They have been using Eley and l think they are trying Rio bio steel now. I will ask how they are doing with them and what chokes they are using. I load steel 6 shot in 28gauge .We are lucky with cartridges the local cartridge dealer can order cartridges he doesn’t have in stock and will arrive on his next order. He also sells small amounts at the 1000 rates . It wasn’t long ago manufacturers said they couldn’t make bio wad cartridges, l think they all produce them now. Some steel cartridges are a lot louder than others, but they all make what ever you shoot with them bleed a lot more. I always take a pack of baby wipes, if they clean babies they will clean your hands and gear. It’s just getting used to a different cartridge. I would wait and see what happens with the cartridge manufacturers and then try them. With prices going up it can be expensive testing them all , l would wait and see what wildflowers use for duck .this is my experience with steel l hope this helps.
  22. Hi Blueflame I agree with you about pattern quality. With your fixed chokes you tried different cartridges and found the best for your gun. number four shot in lead gave me the best even pattern in my 20gauge. The best even pattern in my 28gauge was with lead number three shot. This was a few years ago with hard shot, it patterned better. I don’t use or load lead now. I use 50mm extended chokes and I found them better, and I don’t change them. Top gunmakers would polish the chokes of a new gun to get a better pattern, or give the new owner confidence. I was taught it’s confidence that kills not just a good gun. When Shotkam patterns his gun and decides what cartridges to shoot with confidence that can only be a good thing. Good luck to him.
  23. Hi Shotcam this may help give you some ideas. Don’t go to far with your testing, so it’s not fun to do. These are old patterns from almost twenty years ago. They got a bit wet in my shed. Each segment is the same area. I made a wire template the same as the segments ,to put on the pattern paper, now I just look at the pattern paper. Are you using a metal plate, if so take photos of the pattern. I would try 28 grams of different size shot first. Good luck with it. I found number 4 shot in lead gave me the most even pattern.
  24. Hi I was shooting pigeons this afternoon on a couple of fields with a main road on the boundary with houses along the full length of the road. Behind the houses is a newish housing estate. I’ve shot this field for many years. When I was coming of the field a young couple came across the road from the estate and I thought they were going to complain about the noise, but they were very polite and asked could they have a couple of pigeons. I gave them six pigeons and explained they are shot with steel and they went away happy. It’s a long time since I’ve been asked for pigeons maybe times are changing.
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