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  1. The eley pro eco steel are marketed as a standard steel cartridge. The CIP regulations state that for a 12 gauge cartridge to be classified as standard steel that: 1) The maximum momentum is 12 Ns at 2.5m from the muzzle 2) Maximum velocity of 1395 fps at 2.5m from the muzzle 3) Maximum allowable shot size of 3.25mm Point number 3 would mean that either the Eley Eco 3's are a true 3.56mm and therefore not standard steel, or that they are actually are standard steel and they've just fudged their shot sizes. I suspect the latter, as 3.25mm is roughly an English size 3, and Eley marketed their cartridge pretty hard as being safe for all guns.
  2. I've got some but haven't had a chance to use them yet. The size 3's are a true size 3 at 3.56mm, unlike the eley eco wad series which are labelled as size 3 but are in fact 3.25mm. I'm also not convinced that the plastic they use is actually biodegradable in the real world - bioammo's patents show that the main polymer constituent is polylactic acid. While bioammo like to label this as biodegradable and compostable, the regulations that they say their material complies with only has to show that the material degrades in an industrial fermenter at 60 degrees celsius, conditions that aren't going to be found anywhere in the real world. There's also a fair amount of research online showing that polylactic acid actually degrades at a similar rate to ordinary plastic (i.e very slowly). I've contacted bioammo and shooting star to see if they had any test data that showed the wads degrade under real-world conditions, but so far, silence. If you're wanting to play it safe you can actually go with the standard Eley Eco Wad cartridges as they're a standard steel shell, or there's bismuth which though expensive will at least get you a similar range as lead would have.
  3. You could always consider getting a few boxes of bismuth? It'll certainly extend your range a bit compared to an equivalent steel load.
  4. Hi Andrew I believe you mentioned in a different thread a while ago that you had received some sample bio-plastic wads that you were using to trial some steel loads. Do you have an update as to how it's going? Thanks
  5. I am very interested in these cartridges - the 28 gram in particular looks to be a viable clay/pigeon load. My main concern is how well the wadding protects the barrel (yes I am aware that soft iron "shouldn't" scratch barrels, but I am a bit cautious nevertheless). Can anyone report back as to the state of their barrels after a few hundred/thousand of these jocker cartridges have been put through them?
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