[Flitwick Shooting Ground]

Hi, does anybody have any contact details for the owner/organiser at Flitwick Shooting Ground please?

I guess they are not shooting currently, but I've been meaning to visit there for some time, and I walked past the ground today, promoting me to follow up on it.

Thanks

Rich

[Shooting Show - best day]

Well, we are going anyway, so we will see what there is. We'll go tomorrow.

If there are no bargains, well leave without spending.

Only looking for something around £500 mark. Not high end!

Thanks

Rich

2 hours ago, Farmboy91 said:

In 2 years I can't remember seeing anything and thinking 'wow I have to have that at that price'. 

Steve summed it up pretty well, what exactly are you looking for?

Looking for something tidy and reliable around the £500 mark. Used.

12g OU sporter. 

Rich

 

[Shooting Show - best day]

Hi All,

I am planning going to the shooting show this weekend. Maybe to see if I can find a shotgun for my son.

Am I likely to find any bargains/discounts?

If so which is the better day to go. Saturday or Sunday. If originally planned for Sunday.

Rich

[Beretta 686 stock]

Thanks to you both.

I'll just need to find one now, and maybe Welshwarriors might hit the mark!

Rich

[Beretta 686 stock]

27 minutes ago, welshwarrior said:

I’ve a shortened 686 right handed stock here if it’s of use.  

Hi, it could be!

Are all 686 stocks likely to fit?

I'll message you directly.

Rich

 

[Beretta 686 stock]

Thanks to both of you.

I'll get in touch sporting targets, as they are not to far from me!

I remember now they had some a while back.

 

Rich

[Beretta 686 stock]

Hi, 

My dad has a left handed Beretta 686, about 25 years old.

Would a new(er) 686 stock still fit? Or do they require some "fitting"

He wants to convert it to right handed for his grandson.

Any ideas where I might get a used one/set? Might need a little taking off the stock..

Thanks

 

Rich

 

[Chesterfield Area Clay Grounds]

Hi, Can anybody reccomend a sporting shooting ground open this weekend (probably Sunday) around the Chesterfield area (Bolsover) please.

I'm up there this weekend to visit my parents. There used to be Copper Beeches near langwith, but cannot find any details - has it closed?

Cockett Farm is not too far away, and been there a couple of times.

Ideally somewhere with some nice easy clasys, or pay per clay, as I'm taking my son, whos quite new to the sport!

Thanks

 

Rich

[Hatsan Escort Assembly - help please!]

35 minutes ago, mossy835 said:

if it works ,leave along.

It didn't work as well as it should.

Now it works less well than that!

12 minutes ago, Lord v said:

Seems familiar, but missed the step "give it to a professional to sort out"

[Hatsan Escort Assembly - help please!]

38 minutes ago, Spoon said:

So I think it varies from version to version. I took my Luxano apart and the firing pin holds the block captive (the back "legs" are connected, so the pin slides through rather than resting in, much like this) and there is no hole on the side at all. It seems this is a V1 style. On my Escort (which I think is a V3, external chokes, release on the gate, and long end cap) the block looks the same as yours, except it's held captive downwards by the firing pin, and upwards by a peg seemingly in the same place you have a hole. The the peg looks to be part of the block and non removable, so it seems they changed their design over time. Some mention of it here. Not sure if yours is a third version of some kind.

Seems you probably want to go with what Edgar recommend.

It's being sent to Edgar brothers to sort out. The gunsmith said they could have difficulty getting the correct part, probably for this reason. Best to send it off, get the right part, and have it fettled to fit as needed.

Edgar brothers suggested that the peg, where I have a hole, is an integral part of the block so shouldn't come out. Sounds like what you have.

I don't think mine is that old, but not sure. It has external chokes. Is there a way to tell?

I guess its all part of "continuous improvement"!

 

[Hatsan Escort Assembly - help please!]

54 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The locking block is held in by the firing pin running through it which in turn is held in with a headed pin that sits upside down in from below through that hole that you are aware of. This pin fits through the waisted portion of the firing pin.

The firing pin only stops the locking block moving downward. The pin which is missing from my locking block stops it coming out the top.

When assembled in the gun, I think it doesn't really do much, as the action/barrel holds it all together.

I'm just not prepared to risk that I'm right with a gun that my son is using.

Rich

[Cheap 20g OU]

On 10/06/2018 at 16:50, Brookie2 said:

I have a new kofs. Lovely gun for the money. Just a little stiff and a full stock. So is a little big for my 11 year old so then brought a second hand yildiz with a small stock and he’s getting on great with it. Both are a bit heavy as he’s a slight 11 year old but he’s hitting clays and loves to come to have his go on the training stand at the end. 

Out of the two, which do you think is better made?

Had a look at  a Kofs today. Nice enough. Although I'm dubious about the longevity of the surfaces on the hinge joint? 

Rich

[Hatsan Escort Assembly - help please!]

13 hours ago, Wymondley said:

It might be  worth  contacting Wabbitbosher  on here, I know he had some spares  for them.

If you're still stuck, let me know and I'll pop mine apart and see if I have anything similar in the workshop  or can knock one up.

Thanks for the offer, that is very kind.

I have actually arranged to drop it off locally at a gunsmith.

After speaking with Edgar brothers,  they suggested that a new locking block might solve a couple of other issues I’m having with the gun. Apparently new locking blocks can need a bit of “fitting” to ensure they catch and lock up correctly.

The pin is not available separately.

Regards

Rich

[Same recoil - 12g vs 20g??]

7 minutes ago, lancer425 said:

Stick with the 20

Gun weight shot charge velocity look on the face of it the same, but 20 and 12 use different powder charges generally different powders and how these powders work in the different bore sizes etc. Lots more than just gun mass and shot weight to felt recoil.

Kids grow up fast let them take up the 12 when and if they chose to, But for now i think that Hatsan as it covered..

Hi,

If the hatsan worked flawlessly, I wouldn’t swap it for a bit. It’s got plenty of room for him to grow into, with the extra stock spaces.

But it has jammed a quite a bit recently. Either failed to eject, or to load the next cartridge properly. Plus a couple of times it’s failed to fire a loaded cartridge. I’ve had to strip it down on the side of the clay stand to get it working.

I’ve got it booked in for a bit of work to be done in it.

There’s a used Miroku local to me, that might me worth a try. And then a number of cheap 20g over and unders from Yildiz, ZOFS etc. 

Rich

 

[Same recoil - 12g vs 20g??]

17 hours ago, welshwarrior said:

20 semi 12 OU is apples and oranges as if the semi is gas operated it will use recoil energy to cycle reducing recoil.  

 

But like for like it’ll be the same however your likely to find 21g 12 bores a touch smoother.  

Yes, I agree that 20b semi to 12 bore OU is not necessarily apples for apples.

He has been shooting for a while with the 20b semi, and its been fine for him. He suffers no problems from the recoil etc. However, the semi in question has had a few hiccups recently, and that slightly spoils his enjoyment if we have to keep rescuing half ejected/half loaded cartridges. A couple of times its completely failed to fire, and had to be stripped/re-assembled. I've never really found the issue, but re-assembly seems to fix it....I've just given it a very through clean (see my other post on that topic :-o) to see if that helps.

So, I was thinking I would try a 20b OU next with light 21g cartridges. A slight increase in gun weight, and recoil is expected. He tried a 20b Lanber in the shop - it was way too long in the stock, but he seemed ok with the weight.

Then it dawned on me, that I had been using 21gram cartridges recently - would that not offer identical recoil to a 20bore firing the same weight? All subject to the gun being manageable for him. Maybe just skip the 20g and go straight to 12g?

I completely do not want to put him off shooting by giving him a too heavy gun, or getting him kicked around by recoil, but also do not want him to loose interest because of his current gun reliability... (at his age, I had a 20b SxS)

Regards

Rich

[Hatsan Escort Assembly - help please!]

Well, after watching a few YouTube videos, it looks like a small pin of some sort is missing from the hole in the side of the locking block. Hole can be seen above. 

I cannot find the pin anywhere on the floor. Either I've binned it with some paper towel, or it fallen out somewhere else.

I've dropped an email to Edgar brothers. The pin isn't even listed as a part in the user manual.

Rich

 

[Hatsan Escort Assembly - help please!]

Hi, I decided to give my son's escort a good clean.

In cleaning the bolt assembly, the part called Locking Block in the manual fell out of the bolt assembly. It's the first time that's happened, but I cannot see how the thing should be retained.

Does it just sit loosely in the bolt?

Or have I lost a part on the floor in the garage??

See attached picture...

 

Thanks

Rich

[Same recoil - 12g vs 20g??]

5 minutes ago, bornfree said:

The laws of physics say that an equal weight gun firing the same load should give an equal recoil. But I think the 12g will be smoother.

Thanks, that was my initial thought, but then I wondered how much effect the reduced bore diameter would have, in terms of the resistance offered to the acceleration of the mass of the shot.

Maybe it's inconsequential. Maybe it's noticeable.

Rich

[Cheap 20g OU]

Hi, are there any of the cheaper 20g OUs that are better than others?

I'm looking for an inexpensive 20b for my son, probably with a junior stock, or cut down a bit for him.

Yildiz

Armsan

Revo

Huglu

KOFs

Or is it better to try and find a used Beretta/Browning/Miroku etc?

Any thoughts on these brands, especially any to avoid!

Thanks for any advice/experience.

 

Rich

[Same recoil - 12g vs 20g??]

Hi,

If using gun of equivalent weight, would the recoil of a 20b and 12b both using 21gram cartridges be more ore less the same?

I ask, as I am thinking about swapping my sons hatsan 20g semi for an OU. But not sure if to stick with 20g (he's using 21gram carts) or try a 12g, and use the same 21gram cartridges that I do.

Ill need to cut the stock down for him, or get a youth gun either way.

Rich

[20b Light recoil for 11/12 year old]

 

He used a .410 with 2" 9g load and got on ok with that. >>> If he is having fun and knocking some down what's the urgency to change just yet?

 

 

His grandad is now keen to buy him his own gun, and seems set on a 20b. >>> As above. He's your boy? Advise gently.!!

 

what cartridges would you advise with least recoil?

 

>>> We've all been here before with wives, daughters and various children. It's not just a situation of recoil it's upper body strength and the ability to shoulder the weapon without bending over backwards. Many times I have seen a gang of well meaning blokes surrounding a beginner who is trying to shoot a gun that is too much for them to shoulder and getting knocked about in the process. Keep in mind the fun aspect of shooting and not trying to be digweed.also the fact that shot has the same mass and Velocity out of any gun irrigardless of bore size.

 

Any help appreciated.

Rich

Really, I am not in a hurry!

I was quite happy sticking with the .410.

, Which we borrowed.

It's grandads enthusiasm to get him is own gun where the "problem" lies!

I think he thinks 20b Will be ok, and won't need to "upgrade" too soon...

 

I guess I'll try him with the 20b, and if he doesn't get on with it yet, I'll sort out a .410 for a while.

 

 

Thanks

 

Rich

We had a Hatsan youth a while ago and it would not cycle 20 bore subsonics from recollection I think ours needed at least 24 gram to cycle reliably.

Thanks for that info. I'll try the subsonics in an OU first.

[20b Light recoil for 11/12 year old]

Have you thought about a semi?

The Escort Youth is mustard and you can lengthen the stock with spacers provided as he grows.

It's funny you should say that. Having thought I'd convinced his grandad to wait until we'd tried a few guns out, I got a phone call today. He's picked up a Hatsan 20b Escort Youth.

I'd also picked up a couple of boxes of subsonic 20b cartridges - which I have no idea if they will cycle the Hatsan properly!?!

I guess I'll find out!

 

Thanks

 

Rich

[20b Light recoil for 11/12 year old]

Rich,

 

I looked at both 20 and 28 for my lad who's 10 and it was the lightest gun that won in the shop. That was a Lincoln 28B.

 

Your lad being a bit older would probably be fine for a 20 with youth proportions.

 

The recoil you can sort out with cartridge choice.

 

My lad and his older cousin can comfortably get through 100 16 gram #9 cartridges in the 28 between them without being bashed about at all. I would guess that a heavier gun in 20 with 21 Gram cartridges would be just as comfortable. You can always sort out fit with slip on recoil pads and cheek risers.

 

If you're at all worried the 20 will be too much of a jump, then go for the 28.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

Clive

Thanks Clive,

 

I will see if a can slow my dad's enthusiasm down, and try and borrow a 20b and some subsonic cartridges.

 

If he can't get on with that, then I will try with the 28b.

 

I started with a 20b myself, but I was maybe a little older than my son is now. Maybe a bit sturdier too!

 

Cheers

 

Rich

[20b Light recoil for 11/12 year old]

 

You'll probably smoke more of them if you're on them. Subsonics will tend to pattern tighter and more evenly. +5-15% in the circle at 40, depending on what you're comparing them with. I'm currently working on a field test / article which shows exactly that - PM me if you want the link when it's finished. Cooky will have plenty to say on the subject if you want to go to the horses mouth, so to speak.

Awesome! Thanks for that. It certainly doesn't sound like they will be limiting, especially for somebody fairly new to the sport. Certainly better than a sore shoulder!

[20b Light recoil for 11/12 year old]

Thanks cookoff - I'll look into that, I've never used any subsonic myself, will we notice any difference in clay breaking performance?

 

Thanks zetter, that's a kind offer. I'll see about availability on 30th. Certainly my son will be keen to have another go.

 

Last thing I want to do is give him a bruised shoulder or face, and stop him having a grin on his face when he breaks a pair of clays on report.

 

Rich