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He may not need any form of license at all in France for the purchase of an ordinary shotgun. Certainly as it was last year, you could still buy one over-the-counter with suitable ID. But this position may have changed so you may want to check with the police over there. The problem I can see is he would almost certainly need to have a valid permis de chasse to shoot even on his own land. I am not aware of rabbits being exempt from this, it may also apply to air-rifle use from controlling them so he needs to be very careful to avoid committing an offence. Although the procedure to get one is typically bureaucratic; it is not astronomically expensive compared to some countries as far as I am aware.
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It depends on how long your friend's dad will be having possession of shotguns in France for. Normally, you can request a "European Firearms pass" from the UK police force firearms licensing dept once you have a UK cert. This is usually enough to occasionally bring shotguns into most of Western Europe. Depending on residency circumstances it may be necessary to acquire additional permits however depending on french firearms law. French firearms law is somewhat more liberal than over here if I remember rightly, however I would check with the BASC to be sure of what you need to do. They have dealt with such matters previously. Getting a UK cert might be difficult if the man is not permanently resident in the UK, it may be more practical to go through the french system and get a "Visitors firearms permit" for the UK depending on where he is going to be residing the most. Again it's probably best to check with the BASC on this one, as I could not give a definite answer without having more information on the proposed arrangement. Regards, mr_colt.
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Hello All, With regards to the number of requests for info on how to get copies of police records from users over the past few years; I was wondering if we could put up a sticky concerning the subject in the General shooting matters forum? I have recently posted a reply on the subject if that would be any good: Many Thanks, mr_colt.
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If it's your record you wish to gain a copy of; a CRB check is not necessary to get it. Under the Data protection Act you have the right to a copy of the information held on you with a few minor exceptions. These exceptions would normally only apply if you were currently under investigation for a crime etc, so there should not be a problem. You need the appropriate form from your police for a "subject access request." You can usually get it from your local police station, it may be worth calling them to check they have some in stock though. Otherwise you could contact the main Police headquarters for your area. You need to pay a £10 fee for the request on application either by cheque or postal order, you will also need some ID to validate that it is your record you want to access. A driving license (photocard and paper part together) plus a birth cert/passport was enough for the forces I have requested info from. You may wish to check with your force before you go down though to save a wasted trip. If you apply in person at the counter, you will not need to send photocopies of the documents off with the application. The officer manning the desk will mark the form that he has checked the originals and they match. You also save postage costs this way normally. Otherwise you can apply via the post to the provided address on the form. If applying this way I suggest you send it by recorded delivery. If doing it in person then it is best to ask for a receipt from the officer at the desk. Just in case the paperwork gets misplaced in the internal police mailing system. On the form you should ask for a copy of your PNC (national) record and copies of data from any local force databases, the fee is the same regardless so you may as well get the lot. The processing time varies but most forces usually get it done within a fortnight. It may help if you can provide rough dates/years but this is not crucial if you are requesting all data held. You will probably get a response first directly from the PNC people in London first with a copy of your national record, followed by your local police records shortly after. It may look complicated, but is a fairly easy process to go through these days. But tt also enables you to see exactly what the police hold on your files, and challenge any mistakes in the rare occasions they do happen such as records on your file of someone with the same name. I hope this information helps you with your queries, please let us know how you get on. Best Regards, mr_colt EDIT: I have located the relevant forms online for you: Subject access form More info on applying here:Application Info
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Obama's Illinois voting record concerning firearms isn't too wonderful. So I was not surprised when news of the record level of ammunition purchases hit the web. I cannot predict how he will act on firearms as president; there may well be some measure of backlash from the individual states if he interferes with their autonomy too much from the federal level.
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As long as it is ensured that she never has access or knows where they keys are kept. Otherwise unless she is a cert holder too; it's unauthorised access and the police will revoke tickets if they find out. See this article re the Farrer case: link
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dont show your guns on face book
mr_colt replied to BSA-airgunner's topic in General Shooting Matters
I never said I believed the story as it was told, In fact I said I was somewhat suspicious of it. I was trying to say as it generally goes, the police firearms licensing employees have been known to target the certificates of people who post non-pc views online where they can identify the holder. The guy behind the gunculture.net blog being a well-known example. He had never threatened anyone or done anything except express his viewpoints. Yet he was threatened with a non-renewal for his FAC&SGC when the paperwork went through. All just down to his views on the right to armed self-defence and criticism of a policing association. The association in question wanting large amounts of public money to purchase custom firearms with specialist grips for female firearms officers. Yet those mere viewpoints alone were enough for the police to threaten non-renewal of his certificates. He got his tickets renewed in the end after representation from shooting organizations but the point remains: His legal gun ownership was threatened by police for publishing views online that they deemed verboten. So the message is: Exercise your free-speech rights and you loose your ability to legally own firearms??? I will repeat, I'm not talking about the linked story originally posted. I am somewhat suspicious of it's authenticity of whole truth. But I wanted to point out that some of the police have and will revoke certificates, for holder's undertaking perfectly lawful activities if they consider them "non-pc." -
dont show your guns on face book
mr_colt replied to BSA-airgunner's topic in General Shooting Matters
One has to remember that "legal ownership" of shotguns and firearms in Britain is governed by several things: . Firearms (including amendment) acts 1968-1997 . Firearms "Rules" 1998 . Anti-social Behavior act 2003 . Violent Crime "Reduction" act 2008 . Possibly other acts I have forgotten to mention . The 2002 Home office firearms guidance And finally: The applicable police force's own interpretation of the above, regardless of whether their interpretation is conflicted or politically-motivated. It's really luck of the draw half the time with them regardless of the actual contents of the statutes. Although I am somewhat suspicious of whether the whole story is being told by the poster or not. Regardless of which, there are certainly some very "PC" firearms licensing employees that might take such a situation and act on it. General internet illiteracy, combined with certain views of what are "inappropriate views" in a certificate holder: Could be enough for a licensing employee to push for a revocation, regardless as to whether the concerns are real or just dressed-up for effect when the report to the Chief Constable recommends that he sign-off on a revocation. -
Best Gunshops in Staffs or Derbyshire (Or Midlands)
mr_colt replied to smithee's topic in Guns & Equipment
Bates (Stafford) are ok. Their prices are not very competitive on some items but it is a reasonably well-stocked gunshop. I found things like air-rifles, cleaning accessories and to some of the firearms to be a bit high in price. However the prices are not the highest I have seen and it does cost money to run a decent well-stocked shop. -
You don't need to put cartridges down on the FAC form at all, there are no silly buy/hold restrictions on Section 2 (SGC) yet. When you want to buy shotgun carts, you merely show your certificate to the retailer for verification. There is no ammo table that needs to be filled in on a SGC. The only exception to this is slugs which, are section 1 and fall under the same bracket as section 1 ammo.
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Nomination For The Worst Gun Shop In Britain
mr_colt replied to Blackbart's topic in General Shooting Matters
Sporting and General in Shrewsbury has to be the worst I have come across. They sell utter rubbish in the airgun section to newbies for massively inflated prices. I paid about £80 over the RRP of a Cometa air-rifle when I started shooting. They have not treated the FAC-holding members of my family any better. If you want to bulk-buy ammo, even .22LR they will treat you with such utter disdain it is unbelievable. It's almost as if they don't want ammo-buying customers full-stop. I'd rather go to Minsterley to buy a shotgun or even George Bates in Stafford. At least Bates sell decent stuff and help newbies out even if their prices on guns are a little high. mr_colt. -
Well the SGC application has finally gone off to West Mercia. Took me a while to figure out who I knew could countersign, as I have moved a lot in the last four years. Put the £50 in another account so my ever yo-yo'ing account balance wont hinder it clearing when they cash the cheque. My countersignatory fortunately grew up with guns on a farm so; he didn't mind in the slightest. My Doc is ok with it and can't see any reason why I shouldn't hold a SGC. So she is ready for when the police request a report. Any idea how long West Mercia are running for SGC grants atm? I have had figures ranging from 8 weeks to 5 months from various peps. Just got to put up with the annoying wait-and-see now.... mr_colt.
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Sorry, photobox decided to render the album private for some reason. I think it's working now.
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Here are some pics I took of my Brattonsound RL7+ last year. Hopefully fitting it at my new place in Shrewsbury when I hear from West Mercia about my SGC application. Cabinet Paul Hart gave me a great deal on it, huge reduction considering the only thing rendering it "b-grade" were a couple of minor scratches on the powder coating and a small dink. It claims to take 7 guns (probably unscoped Ruger 10/22's etc.) In reality, the capacity will be less. Especially if you get some SBS shotguns in there. Still it has the provision to take scoped rifles if I go down that route in the future so I'm happy with it. The thing is so secure that I'd store gold coins quite happily in the top-compartment if I had any. mr_colt.
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Where in Shropshire for a corporate shoot ?
mr_colt replied to malkiserow's topic in General Shooting Matters
Dovey Valley is quite good in my experience. But it may be a bit out of your distance range. mr_volt