Muddy Funker

Yeah good job they didn't use lethal force to stop him from shooting himself

Have gun, must use gun!!! They didn't exactly rush to the mans aid after shooting the dog, I thought that was the whole point?

My FEO is also an absolute gem. Always happy to accept a call when working to answer any queries I might have. It probably wouldn't matter to name him as his details are on the website but I'll just say I live in the Horsham area of W Sussex and leave it there. Top bloke

You know what this has always been my view. Even more so when you break it down. It's peanuts for what it allows us to do

No that'd be about right, but it would be reasonable to think that in a city such as NYC there might just be a dog unit close by? And if other equipment isn't available then it shows a massive flaw in the system. American tactical options are apparently either: 1 - Talk to suspect/offender 2 - Shoot them For others I'm not showing sympathy I couldn't give a toss about the knife man, I'm just trying to point out that other things could have been considered. I'm done on this now.

They're most definately my enemy, I'm actually old bill too. I was just playing devils advocate as I said. I understand that American police generally deal with a higher level of threat day to day than we do, hence why they seem to over react sometimes. I'm trying not to generalise, but American cops always seem to draw sidearms for pretty much every situation, then when things go wrong the only option is to start blasting. As Mungler said what about dogs, yet another tactical option I hadn't thought about. I can't believe there wasn't a taser, baton round, dog, shield somewhere close by. I guess the rules are different there but the level of force used far exceeded the level of threat in my opinion,

Have to work dammit, will repy properly tomorrow

Didn't think it long before that incident was dragged up, notice I say for the best part our police get it right. Anyway it's a completely different situtation, an extreme tactic for an extreme situation.

It's a rarity that there isn't a less lethal option. Baton round, taser, sheild tactics ect. Obviously I wasn't there and the video doesn't show but unless there is immediate threat to life of a person then the shot can't be justified. 12 times, come on that shows absolutely no control. Did any officer there even see what the outcome of the first bullet hit was? If that had the desired effect of stopping the threat then how can the next 11 be justified? People slag off English police all the time but for the best part they get it right. The tactics here were awful.

Thanks foir the reply bedwards, I've just got off the phone to FEO and he said pretty much that. My cert is for pest control and won't be conditioned for target until i've done my probation at a club, then just send in cert with a cover letter from the club and they'll add that I can shoot there to it. I'm not sure about the zeroing part but the good news is the co terminous cert is being dropped round later so I'll ask him then. Happy days, 6 months will go in no time!!!

Sorry had to go to work last night so couldn't reply. It sounds a little daft, so it says on cert you can zero at an approved range ect but you're not allowed to target shoot. Surley zeroing is shooting at a target?? I'm just gonna have to see what my cert says when it's in my hands then see where I stand with FEO and the range. I'm sure once I'm a member at a range then it'll be a simple task of allowing target shooting/zeroing also? At least I hope it is.

I think I'm with you, so your cert will allow but your club will not until you are out of your probation is that correct? So do you have to shoot with a club gun until out of your probation, then you'll be able to take your own?

Thanks for the reply, Where you say it doesn't cover me for target shooting. Would this be from the clubs point of view or the certificates? What I'm getting at is if the cert says for zeroing at a range ect will i be able to use it as a probationary member at a club? Thanks.

I thought I'd bump this rather than start a new thread. While waiting for the FAC to come through I thought it'd be a nice idea to join a club, my pest control permission is a campsite so quite often shooting is restricted. Now when applying I've requested 22LR and 17HMR for pest control, I don't think I've put down for target use as it wasn't a thought at the time. Pardon the pun but have I shot myself in the foot here or will the cert come back to allowing zeroing at an approved range ect? The FAC has actually been granted and is being delivered next week hopefully, I loath to ask for changes to it the day it arrives. I'm in W Sussex if that makes any difference.

That looks like a ballache to be fair,,, Any chance you could just stick it out for 6 months then request it be removed?

I'm 36

I've just been granted my co term cert in West Sussex, it was an SGC renewel and FAC grant. It was 8 for me also. 2 blank, 1 signed by me, 1 counter signed for the SGC. 1 blank, 1 signed by me, 2 counter signed for FAC. No bother to me?

Just got back from my visit, Really nice looking place with what seems like a friendly group of members I got a really good vibe for the place. Terry the manager is a top bloke, really appreciated the time he spent having a chat and showing me around, I'll be putting in my form soon as pay day arrives. Well worth a look for us Southern shandy drinking members

It got spanked!

Hi Terry, Thanks for the reply, phone is on the fritz at the moment but I'd really like to come down and say hello. The website and facilities there look great. I'll pop down tomorrow (saturday) if thats ok. Thanks again!!!

******* stupid is my response.

It wouldn't matter if there was reasonable excuse, unless maybe he's maybe a copper taking equipment home as he's not at his base station the following day? I don't know them all off the top of my head but some things there is no lawful authority or reasonable excuse for. Ninja weapons, batons, butterfly knives ect. you carry any of that, you get done. Edit: It has no effect, an arrest does not mean guilty. It's just a part of the process, to enable the gathering of evidence by way of interview, search, seizure ect. It's only if you accept a caution or get convicted in court that information is disclosable to any employers/future employers. Arrest does however get you created on the system of the force that made the arrest but that information is for police eyes only.

Guys, I'm looking to join a rifle club in West Sussex the closer to Horsham the better. I know there are a few about and I've found some online but some of the websites are just so poor with so little info they're hardly inspiring,,,,, Are any of you here members of clubs in this area? I'm looking to be able to shoot air rifle but most importantly .22LR out to a hundred yards. Also are there any places that allow use of 17HMR? Next question is when my FAC comes through it will obviously be restricted to my land, how will this fair with shooting at a club? Will this be possible with the correct membership and permission? Ford Rifle Range in Yapton looks good and I've emailed them. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thank You. G.

How about chancing it with some French Beans?

Practical? - Absolutely not, 10 shots imo is worthless. Pointless? - Absolutely not, it shows what's capable and showcases what Daystate can do. I think it's amazing that something like this can be built, I imagine it'd be a remortgage to buy one though. Need 100ft lbs? Get a .22 rimmy