PAULT Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 if you could build an all round wildcat cartridge what would you build for fox and deer stupid thread but its p-----g down and im bored stiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerzone Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 .260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 .260 why 260 explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 .247, just as a nod to an old banned member LINKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Oops forgot the famous .347 Zuikis too............. Full link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 (edited) henry is that the much beloved of all walt stalkers .247 rem mikee Edited October 3, 2009 by mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Anything worth building has already been built. I've always fancied a rifle chambered for the 7.82mm Lazzeroni Patriot, on the grounds that it's about the most punch that can be packed in a short action (think 2,000ft/lb at 400 yards with 130gr). It would give a fox a heck of a knock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Any true wildcat requres a custom rifle and barrel. Big money! No supply of ammo except if you make it yourself. lots of problems for the average shooter, do you need it? Keep life simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Oops forgot the famous .347 Zuikis too............. Full link I just spent the last 1/2hr laughing my head off with tales of walt hunting,army colonels/majors and Mungler in his Typhoon jet-thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) Yes Fister but first you have to buy the rifle. Many of the American "wildcat" calibres are only available on rifles to special order.True out and out wildcats need a rifle made specially to the calibre. Like I said, thats not cheap. No reloading data available either and you will probably have to get the cases specially made for you as well. Its not for the ordinary shooter, Edited October 4, 2009 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) 6mmBMG On a serious note something sensible like a .264 in a .30-06 case may work well? Just a little more velocity than a .260rem or 6.5x55. EDIT... That's pretty much a .270 isn't it! Edited October 5, 2009 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 True out and out wildcats need a rifle made specially to the calibre. Like I said, thats not cheap. No reloading data available either and you will probably have to get the cases specially made for you as well. Its not for the ordinary shooter, But that's the fun about running a wildcat. I run a '6.5Nemasis' built up from Rem700 short action, border cut barrel, jewel trigger, Wild Dog stock, pushes a 6.5mm 123gn Scenar at 3000fps, from 38gns N150 out of a modified 22.250 case, is superbly accurate out to 600 yards (Thats as far as I've tested her so far...) and the best bit......no one else in the whole world has a rifle like it!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) njc, the yanks already have the 6.5-06, there is even data for it in the hornady manual. lol vince, why do you have to buy a rifle? The true American definition of a wildcat is a one off custom special designed and built by you or made for you as a one off. A personal calibre that only you have. Something completely off the wall and some American wildcats are certainly off the wall. Some are totally weird. Its usually associated with having some extra feature thats not availble in an off the shelf rifle/calibre combiniation. In the past that almost always meant higher velocity by necking down another calibre but you would have to search hard these days to find anything that hasn't already been done. Lots of rich /mad Yanks have been doing it since the 60s but mostly it has been little more than an exercise in vanity and they are sometimes referred to as vanity calibres. If you do find something original to design you can then call it the .xxx Fister. If you are lucky and it gets accepted and goes into production then technically it ceases to be a wildcat in the true sense of the word. Many mainstream calibres today like the .243 started life as wildcats that got accepted. So if you want to design something totally unique you will need to get somebody to build you a rifle to fire it in because unlike the Americans very few of us have the ability to build or adapt out own rifles. Thats why I said you will need to buy a rifle. Edited October 5, 2009 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted October 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 The true American definition of a wildcat is a one off custom special designed and built by you or made for you as a one off. A personal calibre that only you have. Something completely off the wall and some American wildcats are certainly off the wall. Some are totally weird. Its usually associated with having some extra feature thats not availble in an off the shelf rifle/calibre combiniation. In the past that almost always meant higher velocity by necking down another calibre but you would have to search hard these days to find anything that hasn't already been done. Lots of rich /mad Yanks have been doing it since the 60s but mostly it has been little more than an exercise in vanity and they are sometimes referred to as vanity calibres. If you do find something original to design you can then call it the .xxx Fister. If you are lucky and it gets accepted and goes into production then technically it ceases to be a wildcat in the true sense of the word. Many mainstream calibres today like the .243 started life as wildcats that got accepted. So if you want to design something totally unique you will need to get somebody to build you a rifle to fire it in because unlike the Americans very few of us have the ability to build or adapt out own rifles. Thats why I said you will need to buy a rifle. 30 017 the fister fireball lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 fister, In that case, have a look at the CZ 527 in a 221 FB. I bought one here in April and gave it to my dad as a birthday gift. Sweet little walkabout gun. 16 grains of powder gets you to 3600 fps with a 40 gr BT (19" barrel). That's over 450 rounds per pound. Or, bump it down to 20 cal and for the same charge hit 3800 with a 32 gr. The CZ was a nice little light weight gun, perfect for walking around (which is what my dad wanted). Plenty enough accuracy. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Now you can insult me all you like and even slag off my mum but NEVER associate me with anything .17 calibre. OR ELSE lol And what's wrong with a .17 exactly? I've just started the ball rolling to get myself a .17 Ackley Hornet, and it sounds very nice too! And to think, I used to like you and value your opinion! There's nothing I could say about your mum that would hurt you as much as the above statement has hurt me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 My gunsmith friend builds custom varmint rifles and is a 'wildcat' man he was probably responsible for the introduction of the 22-250 to the UK years ago. He has progressed this now to 22-4000 and just finished building a .20 calibre varmint rifle for a customer, floating barrel and a real cracking gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejohn Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 My next barrel will be a 6-284 , 70 gr @ 4120fps SERIOUS FOX MEDICINE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I designed my own wildcat last year. A variant of the 30-338 LapMag. Its a great long range rig, running 240gr bullets at 3000fps :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 22-338 now there a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) 22-338 now there a thought It has been tried off .300 Weatherbys (similar capacity) but they push the poor little blighters too fast. If running lath turned bullets you could get around the bullet failure issue, but their B.C. would be too low to maximise on the potential. Look into Kirby Allens 7mm-338LM if your looking for a bit of fun and don't mind the barrel wear. Edited October 15, 2009 by Tiff-TRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labrador Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 5.6x61 vom hofe super express sounds interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Bit of an old thread but its quiet on here, so why not. If I was to design a new calibre, lets say .270 win necked down to .20 cal, how would I go about telling pc plod and getting variation for the 20-270 Sam on my FAC? I have always wondered this and found the right place to ask. Would I have to notify the police that I am designing my own 'wildcat' cartridge, or would it just be a case of getting .270 and .20 on my FAC. Regards, Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I'd scrap the idea and focus on dangerzones avatar instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Sorry inthedark, but I don't know what that means, because I can't see avatars on my phone. I'll look on the computer later I was talking hypothetically, I'm not going to make my own calibre, I just wanted to know how, if I was going to? EDIT: Just seen dangerzones avatar on the computer, and I now understand Edited February 11, 2010 by SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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