Matt Gould Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Hello every one. i have recently been using my hatsan escort 3inch chamber for a few bunnies. started off a couple of weeks ago using 2 1/2 inch, 30gram carts and they jammed very regulary. I have now moved onto 2 3/4 32gram carts and not one has jammed I was just wondering if the fist lot of carts jamming because of the shorter lenth ? or becase othe the lighter load ? Thanks for any help sorry about the tittle Edited October 5, 2009 by Matt Gould Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 The hatson escort is the most talked about gun on this forum and is also known as the marmite gun . There have been lots and lots of threads on hear reff its perfomance and I would surgest that you do a search reff the escort . Having said that your gun should handle30 gram cartridges with out any problem ,the length of the cartridge shouldnt make any difference . Maybe your gun needs to be shot in a bit before it will handle lower pressure cartridges . Iam of the opinion that the hatsun suffer from a quality control problem and it would seem from previous posts that some have no problem handling any cartridges and some are a right pig to get to shoot without regular jamming . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtic invader Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Its generally the lighter load that causes the jamming problem. Hatsan have changed the spring type in recent models to allow a greater range of carts and this problem was generally found in 3.5" guns trying to cycle the lighter loads. Not so common in 3" models. If you think about it a - dare I say it, economically produced weapon, which is specifically made to cycle 3.5" heavy loads has to have a fairly resistant spring return mechanism, by definition. If you try to cycle 2.5" 28g loads there may not be sufficient pressure to operate the mechanism therefore jamming may occur. Its all about the physics and nothing to do with the fact that the Datsun – oops! sorry Hatsan, is made to a price and not to a performance specification. T' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) I own a 3" mag Hatsan and they dont really like cartridges under 70mm in lengh 65mm is a no go, the odd occasional 67mm might make it but just stick to 70mm and above they will happily cycle 28 gram loads, as for the quality issue, bulldust, they are mass produced copies of the Remington 1100 in a country where labour is cheaper and are sold all across the world! having owned both of the 2 "Bs" they are no more liable to not cycle properly on light load cartridges as many other makes. The finish is Miltary parkarizing that make an massive difference in the price as there is no real metal finishing to needed for the process and is totally practical for the gun most of us buy them for a cheap knockabout to throw in the motor and they are just as happy in the hide, woods, and on the foreshore. Hatsan are shall we say enjoying the same stigma as when the Baikal first entered the market place in the UK many years ago, and looking at the market place now Baikal are well placed in the sales any clue there?. Perhaps Edgar Brothers thought it would be a great laugh to import a gun give it a three year warranty and go broke repairing every one, just a thought, but one thing is for sure they are here to stay and Im not parting with mine. Yes I do own other makes of gun. Alan Edited October 7, 2009 by Alanl50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie mac Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I had a webley and scott i know its not an escort but its a pup from the same bitch and it wouldnt cycle anything only 70mm cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 they are no more liable to not cycle properly on light load cartridges as many other makes. I've recently aquired a Remington 11-87. I've put ~150 21g 70mm cartridges through it on the clays and haven't had a jam yet. :-) Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I think the length can upset them. Too short and many semi autos just don't want to know. I even found my Beretta Xtrema would play up occasionally (not often mind) on the short stuff. Usually when it needed a clean, but they were the first it would show problems with every time. The Escort is a naff gun in my opinion, but for what they cost they are good value. The Beretta, Benelli, Franchi etc guns are much better but you do pay for that in a big way. Trouble with the big names isn't unheard of. Buy what you can afford, feed it the shells it likes and enjoy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 My lads 20 would only cycle 2 3/4 shells anything from 21-28g but wouldnt cycle toffee in 2/12 inch loads Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Must semis are fussy about their ammunition and its not just shotguns, .22 rifles can be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I've recently aquired a Remington 11-87. I've put ~150 21g 70mm cartridges through it on the clays and haven't had a jam yet. :-) Nial. I never specified 21gram loads as I have not tried them yet but its the 70mm in lengh that crucial I thought I had made that point clear ! Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 2,3/4" usually have more pressure than 2,1/2" thats why the cycle better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sledge Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I HAVE HAD A HATSAN 3 1/2 FOR 9 MONTHS WOULD NOT CYCLE ANYTHING LESS THAN 32 G WHEN I BOUGHT IT BUT AFTER ABOUT 500 CARTS IT SEEMS TO HAVE LOOSENED UP AND BELIVE IT OR NOT WILL NOW CYCLE 24G WITH NO PROBS ONLY EVER HAD ONE JAM AND THAT WAS WHEN I FIRST GOT IT LET IT BED IN KEEP IT CLEAN KEEP THE GAS PORTS CLEAN IN THE BARREL AND YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PROBS TOP GUN FOR THE MONEY AND 3 YEAR GARANTEE ESE MINE ALL THE TIME ON THE PIGEONS IN THE MUDDY FIELDS WHERE AS THE MIRUKO AND BROWNING STAY AT HOME IN THE NICE WARM GUN BOX GREAT WORKING GUN HOPE THIS HELPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonySmith Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 My Hatsan 3 will cycle anything except 21g, mind you I did not buy it to use 21g.. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 My wife has never complained about my weight or length! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 My wife has never complained about my weight or length! All in Wrestler is she? lol, joking I'M sure she gorgeous. :look: Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Gould Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 My wife has never complained about my weight or length! Hahahahahahahahha LOL :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burntout Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 All in Wrestler is she? lol, joking I'M sure she gorgeous. Alan for a wrestler! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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