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Why take it to the cop shop??

 

Simple thing would just be to phone the police.

 

The bloke's actions are strange in the least, no wonder the police arested him, frankly anyone with half a brain cell would realize what would happen if you walk into a police station and pulll out a gun.

 

No sympathy at all.

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As said,there must be more to this. If this is essentially a law abiding man filling a cell where a real crims should be then it is quite wrong to jail him.Those of us in public service do tend to think of ourselves as being on the side of the Police,obviously wrongly,he may have felt entitled to meet with the Top Brass having served in uniform.Maybe he wanted to complain to someone senior about how his community was wracked by gun crime and was making a point that upset them.Not good PR for the police considering the high esteem the Armed Forces are held in though. Pity it was not covered in more trustworthy newspapers as well.

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forgive me for being stupid but the guy served in the forces the same as i did and he knows how to make a weapon safe so he decides to take it up with the chief as he is used to the chain of command and doesnt want the normal monkeys to mess him about and they do this to him in return what ever happened to innocent till proven guilty? With storys like this would you do the right thing and hand it in ? it would make me think twice about stopping

 

Gus - I do forgive you for being stupid, because stupid is exactly correct. Just run this lucid argument about the chain of command past me again - I haven't stopped laughing yet. :good::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Seems the "there must be more to it" theory was correct? this post was placed on guntrader forum!

KW

 

 

How about the bloke was dishonourably discharged from the Army for stealing ammo? Or that he was suspected of shooting another doorman over drug business, but the case was discontnued due to lack of evidence, ie a gun? Or how about the fact that the shotgun he handed in had previously been licensed to him and had had the barrels and stock cut off and a partial serial number recovered through forensics as the number had not been ground off enough?

 

The CPS decide upon the charge and base that on the evidence wihich must provide a more than 50% chance of conviction. Likewise, the CPS prosecute the case based on this evidence. And the major point that you seem to ignore in your rant is that the jury, 12 ordinary people, took only 20 minutes to find him guilty!

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Seems the "there must be more to it" theory was correct? this post was placed on guntrader forum!

KW

 

 

How about the bloke was dishonourably discharged from the Army for stealing ammo? Or that he was suspected of shooting another doorman over drug business, but the case was discontnued due to lack of evidence, ie a gun? Or how about the fact that the shotgun he handed in had previously been licensed to him and had had the barrels and stock cut off and a partial serial number recovered through forensics as the number had not been ground off enough?

 

The CPS decide upon the charge and base that on the evidence wihich must provide a more than 50% chance of conviction. Likewise, the CPS prosecute the case based on this evidence. And the major point that you seem to ignore in your rant is that the jury, 12 ordinary people, took only 20 minutes to find him guilty!

 

The judge ordered them to find him guilty, as there was no defence in law. Likewise the CPS had 100% chance of a conviction from the start. All according to previous posts, I've just waded through.

Andy

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Ring up your local Police Station and ask for an appointment with the Chief Superintendent and see how you fare. You be lucky to end up with a Sergeant and truly lucky to see an Inspector. They will want to know what it is you want to discuss.

 

This man gets an appointment with the top man. How and why?

 

Is he feeling so important that a mere civvy, Constable, Sergeant, Inspector, Chief Inspector or Superintendent will not do?

 

He is guilty - end of chat. All he can do now is talk mitigation. I don't envy his barrister.

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Of course the question also needs to be asked how come this person could walk in to a police station carring a bin liner with a shot gun in it, wait in reception untill the inspector became free.and allowed to walk to his office. extream lack of security at that station I think. How would they have printed it if said man was allowed to sit in the police station reception for ten mins then is escorted to inspectors office where he calmly removes said shotgun dispating said inspector. :rolleyes: unbelivable

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there will be more to it probably related to him holding it overnight or possibly longer before handing it in. However just goes to show if you find an unlicensed firearm its best to call plod rather than take it anywhere and risk being done for being in posession of it

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Gordon r lets look at the clues if you have a complaint or a problem would you want to speak to the monkey or the organ grinder? :rolleyes: The guy just took it right to the top as it would be dealt with quicker as he is in charge or top of the chain of command.

 

Guss,

 

Try ringing your local nick and ask to see to the Chief Superintendent. The first thing you'll be asked is what it's concerning. Tell them you've just found a sawn off shotgun and ammunition in your garden and i can assure you they'll tell you to LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS while they send someone round to collect it. Which begs the question WHAT did the guy say to get himself an appointment with the Chief Superintendent the following day? IF he had told the truth about what he'd found he would NOT have been told to bring it to the station. As for all this rubbish about 'going to the top' and 'monkeys and organ grinders' it's just that. Rubbish. The duty Inspector would almost certainly co-ordinate the examination/removal of the gun, and any investigation. Chief Superintendents are too busy collating crime stats and attending 'meetings' to deal with ground roots policing!!

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Guss109 - look at the clues?:rolleyes:?:yes:?:lol: Clueless more like. You just can't walk in to a Police Station and see a Chief Superintendent. Try it - after you have begged and pleaded, you might see a Sergeant. If you got lucky - an Inspector. I don't comprehend just how he managed to convince a Chief Superintendent to see him. It must have suited the Police.

 

He wanted to see the top man - why? Delusions of grandeur and attention seeking - nothing less. Try going in to a bank and demand to see the Manager to pay in £10. Try asking at the supermarket for the Manager to handle your checkout. It is laughable.

 

The man is an idiot and I trust he gets the sentence his arrogance / stupidity deserves.

 

Poontang - just read your post - spot on.

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THE GUYS AN IDIOT.

 

As ex forces he does no how to make the weapon safe, he also has been taught about chain of evidence from Northern Ireland or Iraq or Afghan. The chain of command aurgment is smoke and mirrors.

 

Or did he think it was ok to put it in his bed as he got made to sleep with is rifle in basic training :rolleyes:

 

Soldiers do some stupid things trust me I have seen it to often.

 

If he could not work to call the police and watch it so no one touched it, then he should have known to do the 4Cs for training.

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THE GUYS AN IDIOT.

 

Soldiers do some stupid things trust me I have seen it too often.

 

Why didn't he just hand it in to a dealer?

 

Naive perhaps? No civvy shooting knowledge?

 

If he has no previous, he should get an absolute discharge, I would think.

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you what he found a gun abandoned in his garden and he took it inside thought about it a while and then the chain of events go on. I've had shotguns for years I wouldn't pick it up and take it to plod there would be a 999 call made straight away just incse it had just been used to top someone. Sounds like a scandal but really a lot of things don't add up

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