gameshooter09 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Hello, Just been practicing with my Beretta with some snap-caps, I fired the first barrel fine - however the second wouldn't fire. I then realized the top lever to open the barrels was free (loose), so the barrels are impossible to open. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Edited November 28, 2009 by gameshooter09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Firing pin caught in a snap cap? Myself I would give the stock a good firm tap with the barrels pointing upwards. Failing that remove the fore-stock and try opening the barrels. If this doesn't work - go to a gunsmith! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 if the top lever is loose to the point it swings under its own weight virtually, then the spring has come out of its slot. you have to take the stock off then its up to you to do it yourself or take to a gun smith. most guns are very easy to strip down to individual parts if your compitent enough but make notes as you go as their are some very tiny springs in there. berettas are the easiest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RArch Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 ...make notes as you go as their are some very tiny springs in there. berettas are the easiest. I find take a few photos very useful in situations like this gameshooter09: If you take some can you post them as its always interesting for others what you find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzeneye Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 look on the bright side, its only snap caps in there...imagine how bad it would be with a live/partially struck cartridge in there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 look on the bright side, its only snap caps in there...imagine how bad it would be with a live/partially struck cartridge in there.. If that was the case would you take it to a gunsmith? Will he accept a loaded gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzeneye Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) thats not the case. if it was, id be ******** if id even have it in me boot whilst i drove their hahaha Edited November 28, 2009 by myzeneye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slated Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Add something similar, has the trigger returned fully forward? that was my problem nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delbert Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 More worrying would be transporting a loaded gun not something you would want to do. I would expect the reason the second barrel would not fire would be because the snap cap will not provide recoil to trip the block should be easily remedied with a selective trigger just select the other barrel or provide the inertia by giving the butt pad a smart smack with the heel of your hand do it right and you may hear a faint click as the block moves across if you want to see what the internals look like in typical Beretta Beretta PDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 stating the obvious but for the record the second barrel is inertia set so the recoil sets the sears or a firm slap on the butt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemicky Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 if the top lever is loose to the point it swings under its own weight virtually, then the spring has come out of its slot. you have to take the stock off then its up to you to do it yourself or take to a gun smith. most guns are very easy to strip down to individual parts if your compitent enough but make notes as you go as their are some very tiny springs in there. berettas are the easiest. Game shooter butt pad off , butt off and tighten up the round shaped nut holding the top lever on to the top of your action , or like Beretta says spring out of slot , or if your not confident it's a trip to the gun smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) and when its sorted out, do us a favour and put the snaps away. They do absolutely nothing to preserve your springs, and can cause damage and wear by discharging onto them when you don't need to. They have a purpose for dry fire testing after stripping and cleaning / repairing the action, and they have uses in dry fire when coaching, but a modern gun's springs are made of the same steel as the valve springs in your car, and I don't suppose you unscrew the head in that every time you park up to relieve the spring pressures off the cam? Their use for spring preservation comes from the days when springs were hammered leaf springs, that did loose tension over time. So snaps to a man with an 1880 Purdy have some relevance, but the springs in your Beretta will be good for 100 yrs even stored under tension. Edited November 28, 2009 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Not that it will help you, but thank god it didnt happen with a live cartridge in the unfired barrel ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Not that it will help you, but thank god it didnt happen with a live cartridge in the unfired barrel ZB That's exactly what happened to the Mungster at Copfurn a while ago, live cart up the spout and couldn't open the gun. Not sure how he solved it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 I have known this happen before and it has been a foreign object inside the action that has caused the problem, slip off the stock and take a look. The fact the 2nd barrel hasn't been set by inertia should not stop the gun being opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 That's exactly what happened to the Mungster at Copfurn a while ago, live cart up the spout and couldn't open the gun. Not sure how he solved it though :( Not good. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 That's exactly what happened to the Mungster at Copfurn a while ago, live cart up the spout and couldn't open the gun. Not sure how he solved it though Here's the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Can you select the second barrel manually and fire that? (with the selector slider not using recoil) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 My Silver Pigeon did that to me once with a round up the tube. I completely freaked because I had only just got my SGC and the gun. The best I could come up with was to beat the **** out of the butt of the gun to try to slip the second sear. Luckily it worked (and then the gun opened, typical!) so I could go home safely. When I took it to the gunsmith it just had some swarf in the action from manufacture and that was all they could suggest it could have been. Think yourself lucky it's a snap cap! I'd take it in for a pro to look at. Better safe than sorry and you don't want it to happen again when it may have a live round in it. Trust me, it's not a nice feeling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameshooter09 Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Hello, Thanks for all your help. I managed to fire the second barrel (manualy), but the top lever is 100% loose (sways freely), so I cannot open the barrels. I'm guessing that the spring has gone. I think I will have further look into this tomorrow, by taking the butt plate and stock off. Many thanks Edited November 28, 2009 by gameshooter09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecooper1 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Keep us all informedon how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 If the spring was gone it should still open and shut I think sounds more like it has come lose and or slipped. Like you say whip of the stock and should fix it in a jiff. Cole guns have a PDF of the exploded action handy for tinkering dowload it from the parts page. Good luck! Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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