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Mines the worst of both breeds and to top it all, she is gun shy :good:

She is so nervous she jumps when I cough.

She has a fantastic nose, she nearly stands on it when running and picks up a scent.

But spends most of her time chasing sparrows or scratching for moles.

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She is two year old now and still as nervous as when we got her.

She lives in the house now as a pet more for company for my wife.

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Heres my Springer Lab X

 

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As a pup

 

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In action, I love the way his ears fly and has his legs fully out.

 

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He picks up really well. Only complaints are he is crazy and accident prone.

 

Dan

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Ive never had a springer but had labs in the family so i suppose i find her more lab like than springer, she loves going shooting, gets real excited when she hears the cabnet door open, loves water, no problem with gun shots and she finds things real quick too. The only thing im having problems with at the moment is bringing it back to me :rolleyes: , but she is still learning, she"ll be a cracking gundog when ive finished. :lol:

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What's all this springador, labradoodle, jackadoodle business? They're mongrels, lurchers or cross breeds, full stop! I've nothing against cross breeds, a dog is a dog and judged purely on it's merits. And ultimately all dogs are cross breeds, but for ****s sake, crossing two breeds is as likely to result in a dog with the worst of both breeds as the best of both breeds unless you know what you are doing.

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I'm no expert in this field but they seem to quite popular at the moment. Like the stamp of the ones i've seen, time will tell if how well they turn out as workers, so teal27 hope your not offended if i watch how your dog turns out, i'm genuinely interested.

Cheers

Aled

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Good stuff teal27 :look:

Saw some cracking pups last month, thankfully followed brain not heart, and left them well alone. Circumstances are not right yet for a dog in the family.

But they will be in the future...... :hmm:

Cheers

Aled

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What's all this springador, labradoodle, jackadoodle business? They're mongrels, lurchers or cross breeds, full stop! I've nothing against cross breeds, a dog is a dog and judged purely on it's merits. And ultimately all dogs are cross breeds, but for ****s sake, crossing two breeds is as likely to result in a dog with the worst of both breeds as the best of both breeds unless you know what you are doing.

 

Amen to that :good:

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What's all this springador, labradoodle, jackadoodle business? They're mongrels, lurchers or cross breeds, full stop! I've nothing against cross breeds, a dog is a dog and judged purely on it's merits. And ultimately all dogs are cross breeds, but for ****s sake, crossing two breeds is as likely to result in a dog with the worst of both breeds as the best of both breeds unless you know what you are doing.

 

There is always one isn't there. The guy has gone out and got a new dog and wants to post some pictures and they you come along and give it all this. And I don't really know what you are implying with this statement,

 

"but for ****s sake, crossing two breeds is as likely to result in a dog with the worst of both breeds as the best of both breeds unless you know what you are doing."

 

Seems very obvious so what is your point, there is nothing to suggest on this thread that any of the owners don't know what they are doing? And in fact with a pure breed the same could be said.

 

I don't want a big debate over the whole crossbreed because it will be covering old ground but thibk you are wrong to post like that.

 

Dan

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There is always one isn't there. The guy has gone out and got a new dog and wants to post some pictures and they you come along and give it all this. And I don't really know what you are implying with this statement,

 

"but for ****s sake, crossing two breeds is as likely to result in a dog with the worst of both breeds as the best of both breeds unless you know what you are doing."

 

Seems very obvious so what is your point, there is nothing to suggest on this thread that any of the owners don't know what they are doing? And in fact with a pure breed the same could be said.

 

I don't want a big debate over the whole crossbreed because it will be covering old ground but thibk you are wrong to post like that.

 

Dan

 

My point is that this isn't a 'springerdor' no more than any other crossbreed is 'part of one name added to part of another name'. It's a springer x labrador cross!

 

There is a modern fad to cross dogs and then refer to them with some stupid sounding name as a seperate breed, and often claiming that they carry benefits from both lines. It's nonesense!

 

BTW- I don't know if you are aware, but the original post has been recently altered.

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My point is that this isn't a 'springerdor' no more than any other crossbreed is 'part of one name added to part of another name'. It's a springer x labrador cross!

 

There is a modern fad to cross dogs and then refer to them with some stupid sounding name as a seperate breed, and often claiming that they carry benefits from both lines. It's nonesense!

 

BTW- I don't know if you are aware, but the original post has been recently altered.

 

I take your point about the names, I call mine a springer lab x, but I don't see why it offends you so much.

 

Of course the offspring will carry the benefits and shortfall of its parent lines, thats just genetics. I actually think crossbreeds are a sensible choice, as long as you look carefully at the parents, which of course you should do regardless of 'pure' or cross pup.

 

My dog will work a hedgerow like a springer but picks up like a Lab, I got him because I wanted a bit of both for roughshooting. I am not sure what has been taken out of the original post but your post offends me, as a owner of a springer lab x who works very well.

 

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The people I meet must be above average intelligence because when I say 'Springadore' they know what I mean.

I suppose I'd have to say to some others, not that I've met any yet, that I have a Mongrel and then go on to explain what it is crossed with.

I have always been an English Springer man until I retired and it coincided with my last one having to be put down due to having a stroke.

But even though they were pure bred I still had my share of 'nutters' but this cross bred 'Springadore' is no more so than some of them.

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I take your point about the names, I call mine a springer lab x, but I don't see why it offends you so much.

 

Of course the offspring will carry the benefits and shortfall of its parent lines, thats just genetics. I actually think crossbreeds are a sensible choice, as long as you look carefully at the parents, which of course you should do regardless of 'pure' or cross pup.

 

My dog will work a hedgerow like a springer but picks up like a Lab, I got him because I wanted a bit of both for roughshooting. I am not sure what has been taken out of the original post but your post offends me, as a owner of a springer lab x who works very well.

 

Dan

 

The original post said something along the lines of "Here's my springerdor for those who haven't seen one". This implies that there is some sort of breed standard. I've also seen dogs described as 'Jackadoodles', etc. It's pretentious nonesense. Your lab x springer might hunt like a springer and pick up like a lab, but others might do it the other way around, whereas some might possess springer's nervousness and the lab's greed. There is no way of telling. We can't even predict how pedigree dogs will turn out, let alone crossbreeds.

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The original post said something along the lines of "Here's my springerdor for those who haven't seen one". This implies that there is some sort of breed standard. I've also seen dogs described as 'Jackadoodles', etc. It's pretentious nonesense. Your lab x springer might hunt like a springer and pick up like a lab, but others might do it the other way around, whereas some might possess springer's nervousness and the lab's greed. There is no way of telling. We can't even predict how pedigree dogs will turn out, let alone crossbreeds.

 

 

When you say some sort of breed standard, I assume you mean along the lines of reconginised breed by the KC etc. If so then in my mind saying that giving a cross a 'name' is pretentious is the pot calling the kettle black. The KC are the most pretentious lot out there when it comes to judging dogs on family history rather than merit.

 

A name like springerdor only serves so people can know what it is. There doesn't have to be a set of standards behind everything and to be honest it doesn't bother me in the slightest that the KC don't recongnise my dog. The name is merely a decription of a first generation cross lab x Springer.

 

One of the funnist moments I can remember with my dog was when this old guy was watching the gundog lession and commented on how good my dog was, very quick. I turned around and said yes that will be the Springer in him. The guy had assumed that he was a small Lab, and started saying oh well you woul have had a good dog, I mean hmm..... Somehow I knew he would react like that which is why I said it.

 

All should be marked on performance not breed, because as you say "we can't even predict how pedigree dogs will turn out". We all turn up choose a pup for whatever reason and hope that in to 12 months time when we introduce the gun they aren't shy.

 

 

Dan

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Why is it only owners of these crosses get hot under the collar when their lack of breed history, health testing and naming of a "breed" is brought into question? And why is it they are, more often than not in my personal experience, inexperienced dog handlers and breeders?

 

mmmm.... that should light the touch paper :good:

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I used to rough shoot and beat with three border collies. They worked tirelessly and would flush, mark and retrieve game, and could be worked independently in a beating line. I've also had a German Shepherd Dog bitch that was trained to the gun. One beater's day she was the only dog for 8 guns. She worked the whole line in fresh snow and flushed and retrieved 54 pheasants. My current dog is a basket case ESS from a rescue centre. She was extrememly gun shy, violently travel sick even on short journeys for months, had problems with hip mobility yet she now works a beating line perfectly and has started picking up.

 

A dog is a dog no matter what breed. You get out of it what you put in.

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I've enjoyed reading these comments. I am curios as to what dog people out there say about cross breeds.

In the bad old days, many a rough shooters dog was some sort of cross breed, as for obvious resons your working man could not afford a pedigree dog.

A nice story i was once told by one of the old country lads i was friendly with: The local game keeper had a pedigree lab dog, apparently when the keeper was having his Saturday evening pint this lab had Saturday nights most teenagers dream about, and was cross bred with many mongrels, sheep dogs and probably one or two lurchers as well! (This tale is probably exagerated you all now how good the good old days were!). At least one of these cross breeds was a cracking shooting dog!

Anyway my point, if a dog works well to your requirements, and gives you pleasure does it really matter what breed it is??

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Aled

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"Anyway my point, if a dog works well to your requirements, and gives you pleasure does it really matter what breed it is??

Cheers

Aled"

 

It doesn't, and the reason I, and probably many others, refer to their dogs by the, now becoming quite common, title Springador etc is because that is how they are now becoming known.

Nothing to do with KC snobbery or anything else, it is just an easier way of describing a cross breed mongrel without having to go in to long conversations about it's parentage.

When I had Springers, pure bread and KC registered, and worked them I got into quite long conversations about Badger Court/Rytex etc etc and sometimes it was pure snobbery, nothing to do with whether the dog could work or not.

Actually my Springador comes from from a long line of working pure bread dogs on both sides but it doesn't make any difference to me it is still 'my wifes pet' !!!

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My post was just to show people what a springer/lab looks like as a few havent seen the two crossed, wasnt after an arguement over whos dog is better and whether or not its got papers, this isnt a play ground!!!

 

Whats wrong with you lot, i just wanted to put some pics up of my dog as im training her for wildfowling ready for next season,and she is doing really well so far,

Ive had labs and wanted a change ok?

thanks for the nice replies

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Springerdor, labradinger? Why not just call it a crossbreed then we'd all know what it is?

 

Here's a quote from Wikipedia:

 

Some say the Springerdor was one of the first of a new dog fad, known as a designer bred dogs, so called "designer" by puppy farms to increase sales, cashing in on such working hybrids (50/50 pedigree) as the Springerdor and then breeding hybrid dogs just for looks and sadly money, also giving them double barrel names depending on the perant dogs i.e.:- pugg and a beagle to make a puggle seems pure greed and vanity. A good dog handler will stir clear of these none working hybrids as a none working pedigree would be more suited and do not promote puppy farming. The point of a hybrid such as the Springerdor is to capture the working traits of both Parent dogs, to make a more versatile working dog i.e. searcher/ retriever for land and water.

 

Can't argue with the first bit. Anyone wanting a springer that picks up like a lab could just choose one of the heavier boned springers. Similarly anyone wanting a lab that works like a springer could pick one of the smaller, wiry examples of the labrador breed. There's enough variation in each breed to get the type of dog you want without creating some pretentious hybrid created with more focus on profit than genetics.

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