Evil Elvis Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Im using remington magnums. The thing that throws spanner in the works is that i have no idea what one mil dot represents on a hawke sidewinder, it was just trial and error and I rarely shoot any distances where i NEED to hold over....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerrilla podge Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) i dont agree that if you zero at 100 yards that it will fly practically straight there is still alot of adjustment to be made at that sort of range i find that the 17 grain ballistic tips do the proper job out to about 120 yards Edited February 22, 2010 by guerrilla podge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 So at 275 thats a hold over of 11.45 inches correct? Thats only if you are zeroed at 200yds which is a crazy 4"+ hold under at 100yds I'm sorry but people who say "I zero 100 and aim straight on at 200" are either mistaken, have feet rather than yds on the range finder or have .17rem-its just not possible. Have you actually shot paper at 285yds? you might be the best shooter in the world but because of the ballistics of the round I just don't think its humane. The three guys that did the 300yds test last year were running out of hold over on the scope not giving it one dot, you might just have very high magnification or big mildot spacing on your scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 what distance do you all zero in with the hmr then i tend to set up at 100 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steyr 6.5 Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 what distance do you all zero in with the hmr then i tend to set up at 100 yards I zero at 30 yards (nice and easy for checking every now and again) that gives me 1.8 inches high between 70 - 100, an inch high at 130 yards and then bang on centre again at 150 yards. On my Falcon Menace I simply use the next mil dot up(between 70 - 100 yards) at 10 x mag then I know I’m spot on again. Mcroy has used this for a couple of years on his HMR and we shoot the same/similar land so its perfect for us. The only differentiating factor is the scope/scope height. I shot a full box at some targets over the weekend and got a 1/2 inch grouping at 150 (paced yards) smack on the centre of my ret. Next time I’ll have a play with the tactical turrets on the Falcon and work out exactly how many clicks I need to adjust at 100 yards etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steyr 6.5 Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Thats only if you are zeroed at 200yds which is a crazy 4"+ hold under at 100yds I'm sorry but people who say "I zero 100 and aim straight on at 200" are either mistaken, have feet rather than yds on the range finder or have .17rem-its just not possible. Or have very tiny legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 yup there is a lot of poop written on this thread, I zero at 100 and can shoot between 30 and 125 yards without thinking, after that you do need to allow for drop and 200 yards if you don't you will be shooting round a rabbits feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 According to the ballistic software that I have which is from Hawke if you zero at 100 yards with the .17HMR then Al4x is absolutely spot on 30 to 130 yards is point and shoot. 200 yards will need a 8.407" holdover and 18" at 250. 285 yards would be off the mildots and then some. If I knew how to do a screen shot I would post it. The .17HMR is a cracking little vermin control rifle but it ain't as cracked up to be as it is made out on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Have you actually shot paper at 285yds? you might be the best shooter in the world but because of the ballistics of the round I just don't think its humane. The three guys that did the 300yds test last year were running out of hold over on the scope not giving it one dot, you might just have very high magnification or big mildot spacing on your scope. Nope, i havent shot paper at that range and as previously stated dont shoot many animals at that distance, probaly 2 over the 250 mark, I was lying down, no wind sunny day witnessed and measured in yards on the busnell, with my 6-24x60 wound right the way up! I held over one mildot job done and witnessed! May have been a fluke whole knows but it was hit in the eyeball and was very dead. at 200 yards i simply aim at the top of the skull or go for a body shot. Most of the rabbits i shoot are under 100 yards and even under 50 but I CAN and DO take shots over 200 yards with great success!!! Providing theres no wind or long grass in the way!!! When the weather improves Ill do some paper punching until then, thoise people insinuating that I am a liar feel free I dont care, I know what Im capable of and had a witness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 not a liar EE but either you're using different amunition to the rest of us or somehow you were holding over a lot more than you thought as there is some serious drop at 285 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 100 yards seems to be the best zero point for me. When I paper punch at 150 my groups open up a fair bit, so i limit myself to 150 which in reality is quite close. Longest bunny was 120 - 130 yards which I've done twice (same straw bale and same warren ) which was pretty easy going to be fair, so I can believe 200 yard+ shots. When I get my Zeiss scope () i'll give it a bash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steyr 6.5 Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) When the weather improves Ill do some paper punching until then, thoise people insinuating that I am a liar feel free I dont care, I know what Im capable of and had a witness I aint calling you a liar with the 200 yards shots, (In fact Im gunna do my best this summer to support your claim!! , at which point Ill re-open the thread), I think the round is capable of easily killing a Rabbit at 200 yards (at 250 yards the round is still travelling at 1212 fps with 55 fpe), I guess its just the hold over thats in debate... Edited February 22, 2010 by stevienicknacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 i zero at 100 yards and using the bsa sweet 17 scope made for the 17 grain bullet and using this scope in conjunction with my bushnell range finder makes it a deadly tool. on the top it has engravings up to 300 yards just range find it then turn the top turret to match the range http://www.bsaguns.co.uk/scopes_sweet.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I have that scope, but it doesn't work for me. I zero at 100, then line 100 with the line. Shoot at 150 yards, so swissle it to 150 and it shoots about 3 inches high. I am using 17 grain etc but it over adjusts for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Give or take 8"- I'll second that 200 yards is do-able but the hold over is hard to calculate- I mean how on earth does one judge 8" at a target some 200 yards away- I cant , so I use my 222 centre fire for fox Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'm not calling you a liar EE but the round will drop 8"ish at 200yds from a 100yds zero, its physics-its a fact. I have and will shoot that far but its pushing it for the round and I would be happier with the .223 but even then groups will get big, i think unless you can guarantee a sub 1.5" for rabbit and 3" group for fox/deer its in-humane to shoot them. Its my opinion and I sometimes push it further out but even with a range finder exact ranging if difficult. It would be cool if someone had the land to do another long range test with a few members when spring/summer comes, its nice to shoot other rifles and maybe see some other rounds. Its also an eye opener to see how wayward things get at long range. ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzini Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 HAve a look at this Chart lads, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'll second that 200 yards is do-able but the hold over is hard to calculate- I mean how on earth does one judge 8" at a target some 200 yards away- I cant , so I use my 222 centre fire for fox Les Adult grazing rabbit would be about 5" high regardless of how far away it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapper trev Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 NICE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) Im the first to admit im **** at calculating hold over, maybe it was just experience from shooting rabbits for years with airifles lol!!! I dont know maybe it was a fluke.....but i did it. Best i try that spot again with paper lol. Edited February 22, 2010 by Evil Elvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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